J.D. Power "Awards"

[SANfan]

We crossed behind a good-sized freighter on a 30' Scarab Sport with twin 250's once... The wake wasn't terrible (huge swell) but when we hit the prop wash I thought both props had fallen off - so much air in the water there was no bite at all. We used to chase the Sportfish boats down the Intracoastal WW in NC on the runners and that was fun - 4' to 6' smooooooth wake with a nice crest you could surf on. I've often wanted to get 10-12 boarders together and rent a 50-60' Hatteras for a day. With a 5' wake and a 30' high rope attachment on the Tuna Tower, think about the air! (not to mention the A/C and the loaded fridge). No, I wouldn't ride behind it, but I'd bring home lots of video!

Luke

[Deuce]

Just a small point, somewhat off the subject but relates to the point. Here in SLC, Utah...I was more than happy to purchase a Malibu Wakesetter VLX, Mastercraft X2 or Correct Craft SAN 210. I think that they all have good points to them and in the end, I figured that I would have a great boat with any of the three. My decision was not related to money, they were all very close in price and surprising as it may sound, the SAN was not the most expensive.

Final decision, Taylor's Boats is the best local dealer bar none. From the top down they are a first class operation and make their customers happy. It should be noted that I am a repeat customer as they sold me my Cobalt prior to the SAN. I was obviously happy enough to go back with a smile on my face.

I guess my point is, at least in SLC, Utah....I would argue the point that a Malibu or Mastercraft is not a better value.... In fact, though I didn't want a Supra SSV, I could throw that name in also. Better dealers....not here.... Better product....I consider Malibu and Mastercraft on the same playing field, better.....no.

As far as the JD Power.... Well, the only JD I put much stock in comes charcoal filtered and I drink over ice. That said, I would rather be on top...even if I have to pay to get there... :cheers:

Anyway....carry on....

E.J.

[Wakeslave]

Bayliner also builds more boats than Correct Craft.[/quote]


Excellent point. Now you are beginning to understand my point.

[Wakeslave]

As far as the JD Power.... Well, the only JD I put much stock in comes charcoal filtered and I drink over ice. That said, I would rather be on top...even if I have to pay to get there... :cheers:

Anyway....carry on....

E.J.[/quote]

Exactly. I will drink to that.

Thanks,

John

[thevogt]

Wakeslave-
If you are making the point that volume equals quality, you should rethink your position. I'm not going to dispute production numbers in the boat, auto, computer, or any other industry. However, to say that the more you build, the better the product must be, is not a rational argument to make. One has only to look at what CC did back in the early '90's with regard to making the move to fiberglass stringers. They were one of the last to make the move. Were they behind the times? Not exactly. They had their way of producing a boat that had the characteristics tournament skiers were looking for. Other manufacturers had made the move to 'glass stringers, or had never used wood, and were replacing hulls and fixing stringers left and right. When CC felt they had the system perfected, they made the change in '93, IIRC. Also, by keeping production levels at a certain pace, you can provide more quality control measures. Look at Harley-Davidson for a prime example. They refused to increase production, like AMF did during their reign, to keep quality high. They were sold out every year. Sure, Honda, Yamaha, etc sold alot more bikes, but check the resale on those. CC has the same type of scenario regarding the quality/production issues. Again, I'm not saying the other boats are worthless, just in a different class as viewd by most discerning boaters. Similar to the prestige of Lincoln vs. Ford or Caddy vs. Chevy. In the same family of product, just different.

[Tony-M.]

J.D. Power "awards" mean squat. For one, they may survay 200 out of 1-2-3-4-5,000 that actually purchased brand x boat.

Wakeslave: You know there's a thing called Statistics. You don't have to ask everyone to do a survey. Now, I don't really care what J.D Powers says, but CC has always made a better quality boat. The top 3 are a lot closer than in the past. However, Correct Craft is the BMW while everyone else will always be just a nice Camry next door.

[Rick]

Wakeslave I love the retoric (sp?) What boat do you have now and why so down on people on this site? I value this site for klnowledge as well as the MBO site. It must be hard knowing more than everybody. Lets see pictures of how you've tricked out your boat. What can you tell us that will help us be better boaters skiers or boarders. I would vote against any ban unless the poster becomes profane or doesn't have anything postitive to add to the board

[skinautique]

I don't want to ruffle to many feathers but I do want to set wakeslave straight.
JD Powers sends out surveys to people who have already purchased the product. The results have nothing to do with JD Powers so they are not financially persuaded. I could really care less about a magazine taking a boat out for the afternoon and doing a quick review on it. What really matters is what the OWNERS of the boats think about the product. If they are unhappy, they will speak up. MC said that they didn't win it in 2003 because they had a bad hull design in that year. They changed the hull for 2004 and still didn't recieve the award. Does that tell you anything?
If you bought another brand and are trying to justify your decision: Congratulations and go enjoy it! Quit bashing other people and other brands out there. Life is too short to bring up a childish argument.
As far as the actual amounts of boats sold, why don't you take into account that Malibu has 3 seperate factories around the world, MC has a huge factory and Skiers Choice has an attractive price tag to it. As far as correct craft dealers go, they are some of the best that I have seen and I have visited numerous dealerships that carry many different brands.
If this doesn't set anything straight, then you are like talking to a brick wall.
Have a great night/day!

[Luke]

Wakeslave certainly hasn’t done anything egregious enough to warrant a ban. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we won’t discriminate by banning members whose ideas run contrary to the majority.

That being said, Jeff and I would appreciate it if everyone continues to keep these discussions civil. Keep in mind this is a family oriented site and we will not tolerate profanity laced attacks on other members. We would like this site to remain a helpful community for all of our members.

[FatBoy]

Agreed.

[AbunDiga909]

Understood...

[SANfan]

Yo Deuce:

You hit the nail on the head. The dealer is the #1 determining factor in your satisfaction with your boat. I freely admit that if White Lake Marine in NC switched lines, I'd consider moving as well. However, my personal opinion is that no one builds and backs their boats as well as Correct Craft.

Luke

[slob02]

I just love the smell of jealousey in the air!!!! CC rocks!

[SprintCar39]

SLOB....how is your newer Correct Craft working out? Just FYI we are going to have Shaun Murray and the Back Yard Tour back again in Columbus August 23rd. and 24th.

[Wakeslave]

A few things:

1.) In reference to the statistics and J.D. Power Survey. My point is this- the survay is not an accurate one. Reagdrless of what brand it is, they only survay a small % of owners. What if 20 people out of 1,000 had a negative experience and they survey 100 people of the 1,000 that made a purchase. And as luck would have it, those 20 people happened to be included in the 100 surveyed. What about the other 980 buyers that had a wonderful buying experience ? Do they count ? Not very accurate in my opinion.

2.) Agian I say. The "award" is bought and sold. A manufacturer has to pay for the ability to use the survay results in their advertising. Kinda seems al ittle biased to me.

3.) For those offended by my comments, I'm truly sorry you feel that way. For those of you that want to "ban" me, I'm also sorry you feel that way. For those of you that oppose my being banned, thanks for your support of our freedom of speech.

4.) For those of you sending me nasty mail in my mailbox, please have the intestinal fortitude to say share those comments here in an open forum..for all to see. It is only fair that everyone else be able to see your lack of intelligence, and subsequent immaturity.

5.) I love boating, boaters, and hold no bias towards one brand over another. I do know the facts, and the numbers, and have attended many a sales scool in my 54 years on this earth...38 of them in the boat business. I am far from stupid. I do have a tendency to "stir the pot"..which this site could use once in a while. Discussion here tends to get stagnant ond ho-hum. I applaud myself for waking some folks up, and hearing what normally silent members have to say.

6.) I have owned MANY boats in my life. Yes, I own a Bu now, because it was the best boat for the money I could find. I didn't have to wait 3-4-5 months to get it (I ordered it in Feb), and I love it. I do tend to be a tad too "vocal" on occassion..a character flaw on my part that I am working on.

Peace,

John (wakeslave)