2001 Pricing

[Orbiter]

No offense - but I noticed 2 items that scream typo...

Typo 1: 303 hours? That averages to 14.4 hours per year. Are you serious? Even if that was true and not indicative of a number that would require input from 1 or 2 prior odometers that may have been on the boat - it isn't even necessarily a good thing.

Typo 2: $13,500 for a boat that cost $15900 in 1986? 21 years ago. Seriously.

So - what's the story here?

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[wakeboardin2k4]

Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

No offense - but I noticed 2 items that scream typo...

Typo 1: 303 hours? That averages to 14.4 hours per year. Are you serious? Even if that was true and not indicative of a number that would require input from 1 or 2 prior odometers that may have been on the boat - it isn't even necessarily a good thing.

Typo 2: $13,500 for a boat that cost $15900 in 1986? 21 years ago. Seriously.

So - what's the story here?

Semi agreed about typo 1. But there are a lot of people who really dont use their boat. If I were a potential buyer of that boat i would turn the boat to the on position and see if the odometer works. If it did and it looked like the original atleast that shows that the guy is honest. I agree that it might not be a good thing either.

And on your Typo 2. I would ask 13,5 for my 86. These boats are like gold. I dont think I would have a particularly difficult time selling mine for 13,5 if it were May...but def not in January.

ShaneandAshley- Nice boat. Good luck on the sale

[Orbiter]

RE: Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

No offense - wakeboardin2k4 - but if you asked 13,500 for a 2001 what would you expect to come of that? In other words - how could a 2001 be worth that much now? 13-14k is SPORT NAUTIQUE money and I know because I have one and had it at the 13k price point. I can not imagine why anyone but the most poorly informed of folk spending that kind of money on a 2001.

I'll say it again so that it sinks in. Think about it. 13,000-14,000 is SPORT NAUTIQUE or MC205 money. If the boat is going to be tasked with wakeboarding or just about anything else - anyone spending that kind of money has better options - and had them at the 11,000 -12,000 mark - let alone the 13,500 mark.

[wakeboardin2k4]

RE: Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

I'm not trying to create a pissing contest so lets try and keep this mature and not repeat things "so that it sinks in". That being said, neither of us will be truly correct here. The value of the boat is subject to many different things and in this thread subject to opinion.

You are absolutely correct in what you said about the value of a sport natique and I definitely do not disagree with you. But IMO the reason that it is possible to justify an asking price of 13,500 is because of the wake that the 2001 is capable in comparison to ANY other boat in the 4000-14000 dollar price range. What you seem to be using in your posts to justify a 13500 price point is age. And in many ways age is a major part of the value of a boat. But to many people, myself included, there are more important things than age that determine the value of an older boat, especially a 2001 that is set up for wakeboarding.

Now you may disagree with the points I bring up about the value of my boat and why I feel I could sell for 13,5. I have an 86 2001 with a BB 454 in it, immaculate gel coat, 812 original hours which for its age is appropriate and shows good use but still has many hours left before a rebuilt is needed, a monster tower, board rack fully automatic self priming 3 bag ballast system that adds 1500lbs to the boat creating a intermediate to pro level wake, pioneer head unit, ipod controler, 4 polk speakers, a polk sub, an mtx amp, custom glove box with LED lighting, new interior with CC original patterns, a new steering wheel, keyless ignition, heated driver seat, all LED lights on the trailer, new goodyear marathon tires, dual optima battery set up with perko switch, brand new impeller each season I have owned it, new plugs, new thermostat, new thermostat, acme 540, factory original prop as spare, freshly rebuilt starter, 4 flush mounted pull up cleats, gator grip transom protection, and a full electronic ignition.

I have kept incredible records of everything that I have done to this boat. I have a running record of everything in Microsoft Excel. All of these upgrades have equated to just over 4500 dollars in upgrades. After purchasing for 5600. So that is 10100 dollar value in product alone. Plus all the time I have put into the boat makes me feel as a prideful owner that my boat should sell for 13500. This boat has almost everything that many brand new boats have that would cost 60k+. It starts first time EVERY time. So for you to say that my 2001 is only not worth 13500 is fine for you to say but from a realistic stand point my boat has a better wake than a 205 unless its a 205v, way better than any sport nautique, a factory moomba lsv, maybe xlv, most ski centurions, calabria, and probably better than some stock SAN210s. So thats my piece there, and sorry for hijacking your thread shayneandashley

[Nates78Ski]

RE: Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

orbiter- "what would you expect to come of that?[asking that price" ehhh look around, those boats go for that all the time & this one does look clean & boats sell quite often with low hours. someone said it averages to 14.4 hrs per year, that's really not a big deal, since restoring my boat in the winter of 04-05 Ive got i believe somewhere around 60 hrs on it which comes out to 20 hrs a summer and thats with quite a bit of usage every weekend, and i mean EVERY weekend, so 14.4 hours a year doesnt seem like too little usage to me. My thing is that i live on a smaller lake & normally only have 1 or 2 other people to ride with, with the exception of a few weekends, so we go out for a few runs each, & head back in, no time spent on any sandbar with a radio on(which runs the hourmeter) or idling around. So all in all, 303 hours seems completely fine, and the price, yeah i'd like to see these boats come down in price, but the demand for them is high, so they'll probably get it, or near it.

Nate

[bchesley]

RE: Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

Just for reference I just sold a 2001 that I had owned for over 8 seasons and had rebuilt just about everything on the boat and did not get anything near that. See link below. I would have loved to get 13,500 for because I had more than that in it. I hope that you do get it because it is definately higher than any that I have actually seen sell. I have a buddy who works for Correct Craft that just sold an 89 with a extremely rare color combo for 89 with only 125 hours on it. It had been kept in a garage and was immaculate. The closest I have seen to showroom condition. He bought it with the intentions of keeping it but had to many offers not too. He got 12,500 for it.

As for the wake being better than all the boats that you listed, no offense, but that is a serious stretch. Those boats all represent such different wake shapes you cant say that the 2001 beats them all. I loved mine and would own one again if I need a small boat. My current 98 Super Sport smokes my 2001 in wake size. Very similar wake shape, but not even close in size. The 2001 has a one of the best wakes of the small boats so that is where the comparison should be.

I know that you have a lot of time and energy in the boat but just like anything custom, dont count on getting it all back.

Brad

http://www.planetnautique.com/index....ewtopic&t=9930

[borosan]

Thanks for comments about the boat. Orbiter it is not a typo on either count. The boat has 303 hours. We bought the boat 2 years ago from a gentleman who bought it from the original owner. I even have the original paperwork, including the binder, that came with the boat in 1986. I did know how much they cost in 86, because it even came with the original invoice that the first owner paid for the boat...including his trade in. Pretty cool all the materials and pamphlets from CC that came in the binder.

[Orbiter]

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Microsft Excel.

So you're thinking - showing that document to the buyer of your boat will make that buyer be ok with you charging him more than double what you paid for your 20 year old boat?

"Why is this double the price you paid for it - it says right here on the title - $5600."

"Upgrades. Look - I have it in Microsoft Excel!"

"Oh, wow. Excel. Ok, here's all the money."

Ha.

Buying And Selling Stuff 101 teaches us that upgrades do nothing for the value of the boat. Nothing. That "4500 dollars in upgrades" is worth it to you and you alone and you need to be ok with that. If you think you'll get your money back for it by showing Joe Ebayer when you go to sell - I am sorry to say that you'll be disappointed when he says he doesn't care about the goodyear tires or the LED glovebox.

Anyway - yeah - good luck to the seller. I guess it wasn't a series of typos after all. If there is a market for people buying 20 year old boats that are worth 5000 who find buyers willing to spend 13.5k on them, then I am getting into the business tomorrow.

[bchesley]

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If I could find them for 5000 I would buy a couple to resell because they are going for higher than that. My dealer gave a guy 7500 on a trade in because he knew he could sell it for 9-9.5K.

[Nautiqueman]

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A boat will bring what a buyer will pay and a seller will sell for...

I put a couple of friends together 3 years ago. The original owner of a 1986 Ski Nautique (414 hours original- kept in the garage), sold his boat with No tower, for $13,000. The seller paid $12K for it new. The purchaser offered his son a new Nautique, but the kid only wanted a 1986 Blue/Taffy Nautique so his dad paid $13K for the boat. The seller brought me a bottle of great wine for the introduction.

[Batman]

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Why on earth does is it that somebody has to come on someone elses ad and bash the boat, price, etc. ? Let's have a little respect here and if you don't have something positive to say here, stay off the ad. If somebody wants it and they are willing to pay for it, go for it! ****, I bought a 65 Mustang for $800 in 1970 and sold it for $1500 years later, and now it's worth ??????

[MHayes]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

Why on earth does is it that somebody has to come on someone elses ad and bash the boat, price, etc. ? Let's have a little respect here and if you don't have something positive to say here, stay off the ad. If somebody wants it and they are willing to pay for it, go for it!

Batman has a point here....even if you don't agree with the price, it's their boat to ask what they want. Ultimately the market will decide what they get for it.

heck, I bought a 65 Mustang for $800 in 1970 and sold it for $1500 years later, and now it's worth ??????

Now you're comparing apples to oranges. I'd be willing to bet that no CC has the price potential of a 65 Mustang. Old muscle cars are definitely in a price appreciation phase and boats are very rarely, if ever in that phase. I will say that the older CCs are great at holding their value if well cared for.

And to follow-up on an earlier comment, upgrades will typically not result in a lot higher price for a used boat, except maybe for PP. Enjoy the stereo and lights, but don't expect anyone to give you what you paid for them, IMO.

[G]

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I think he's about right with the price. I have a 88 that looks like it came off the show room floor and would want somewhere around the same. The hours don't bother me I have a family member that bought a 86 new and used it for 2 year and then got into horses and used it only once or twice a year since and the last time I looked it had 215 hours on it. Mine has 2019 on it and runs as good as my SAN. Good luck w/ the sale I Love that color scheme. Classic. Unless you have to sell it, I would sit on it till I got the right buyer, (someone that knows what they are looking at) thats what I would do w/ mine if I were to sell it.

[TRBenj]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

Why on earth does is it that somebody has to come on someone elses ad and bash the boat, price, etc. ? Let's have a little respect here and if you don't have something positive to say here, stay off the ad. If somebody wants it and they are willing to pay for it, go for it!

Batman has a point here....even if you don't agree with the price, it's their boat to ask what they want. Ultimately the market will decide what they get for it.

The seller can ask whatever they want, but Im sure they realize that this is a For Sale Forum, so anybody can respond with comments if they want to. Enthusiasts like us are one of the driving factors of "the market."

2k4, I agree with the other guys. Very rarely will a seller recoup the costs of upgrades and other expenditures when it comes time to sell something like a boat or car. In fact, some "upgrades" will reduce the value of the boat in some buyers' minds. Holes drilled for a tower, ballast system, cover snaps, or having the original graphics removed are some examples that will turn some buyers off. When demand goes down, so does the price.

[Quinner]

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: 1986 2001...303 hours $13,500

It surely is not surprising to me reading a used CC sells for more than it cost new, this is exactly why I would own no other brand!

When I purchased my first CC many years ago, the boat was IIRC 10yrs old w/250hrs, purchased from original owner who couldn't believe I was paying almost what he bought the boat new for, several years and hours of use later, and some cash for maintenance, I sold the boat for $1,500.00 more then I paid.