2001 Pricing

[Erik]

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Why is a new loaded limited Nautique worth more than a base no ''frills'' one? With regards to resale, usually the more options the better the value, cars, trucks, boats, etc.

There are base "no frills" Nautiques? Not since the Ski Nautique Standard, as far as I know despite my begging them to go with a SAN Standard. But it is a different thing entirely when we're talking about what is a vintage boat at this point - the 2001.

And these prices may help us SELLING but not for those coming after us to buy. I guess when I sold my 2001 I saw no reason to go more than 9k, and sold it for considerably less. But 9k is the upper limit I advise people to spend when I am asked here, on Wakeboarder on on The Wakeboard Report - and even that is 4k more than any bank will tell you its worth - and 4k more than insurance will cover if she sinks. God I've beat that drum to death here and elsewhere.

And since most of the questions directed at me are wakeboarding-minded I say that anything much above 9k - extenuating circumstances aside - is money better spent toward more boat. Sport Nautique, Prostar205... The only time I make an exception is for the rare boats that have been equipped with a OEM FCT. There is a big difference between slapping a Monster Tower on a 2001 and having a FCT modified to fit a 2001. I should have mentioned that when I was talking about towers devaluing boats.

[east tx skier]

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And yes, in my opinion a 100% stock boat is worth at least as much (usually more) than a boat with add-ons. Not everyone wants a boat with a heater or a stereo, let alone a tower or ballast system. Any "upgrade" that isnt 100% easily reversible (eg, holes were drilled or cut) has the potential to lower the value.

What was I thinking having that hole cut in my hull for Perfect Pass. I guess I'll have to keep it now. :grin:

Selling a boat is all about lucking out and having the right buyer come along at the right time. I had plenty of add ons on my last boat. Some were fairly permanent , i.e. bimini, performer intake, bimini (considering the mounts), and some not so much, i.e., box full of OEM skins, custom jump seat. Maybe a lot of people passed on the boat because I replaced that crummy 4010 carb with a 4160. But in the end, I got lucky with someone looking for exactly what I was selling.

But as far as the tower goes, when I was looking, that was always deal killer for me. I know a guy selling a 2007 196 with a monster tower at the moment. I'd bet the farm that thing would've sold much sooner if he hadn't put that thing on there.

Again, my experience varies. Different boat and different era. But some of this might be constant.

[882001]

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WHY PUT A TOWER ON A 196? its like putting a gooseneck hookup on the trunk lid of a ferarri.

[east tx skier]

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WHY PUT A TOWER ON A 196? its like putting a gooseneck hookup on the trunk lid of a ferarri.

My sentiments exactly, but to each his own. His reasoning is he runs a ski/wakeboard school and uses it to pull both. But inasmuch as he sells the boat each fall, I would've opted for the pylon extension.

[TRBenj]

But why is a new loaded limited Nautique worth more than a base no ''frills'' one? With regards to resale, usually the more options the better the value, cars, trucks, boats, etc.

Youre talking about 2 completely different scenarios. Youre right that factory options increase the resale value- but remember that youre not getting 100% return on those options either (if you bought the boat new). By no means are aftermarket upgrades considered equivalent to factory options, though. That's what we're talking about in regards to 2001 pricing. It boils down to 4 basic reasons why they dont add as much value (and oftentimes detract from it, at least in my mind):
1)Originality is compromised, 2)Quality of install is often questionable, 3)Personalization may not appeal to others, and 4)Reversibility (when the upgrade requires cutting, drilling, etc).

Perfect Pass is one of the few "upgrades" that usually increase the value of our boats. The driving factor here is that these are ski boats, and PP improves that function for nearly every skiing discipline- so many potential buyers may find it useful. The 4 factors above still come into play, so the quality of the install, the personalization (which display was chosen, etc) do come into play. I still dont think it warrants a 1:1 return on investment, though. Id say it would increase the boats value by roughly half of what it would cost to install yourself, assuming it was a quality install.

[Quinner]

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WHY PUT A TOWER ON A 196? its like putting a gooseneck hookup on the trunk lid of a ferarri.

I totally disagree with that, a tower is a functional part of any boat unless it is only used for slalom and trick skiing, the pull from a tower is much better for most any other event outside of those. The other advantage of the tower is it's a great location for a bimini, speakers and to store ski's/boards, etc.

[882001]

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and a ferarri has enough power and a big enough brakes to pull a cattle trailer .haha. i just think196 look clean with no tower, and a 196 has no wake. maybe i should have slipped monster tower in there. that will ruin the lines of a 196 or any boat for that matter . a fct looks good on any nautique.

[TRBenj]

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and a ferarri has enough power and a big enough brakes to pull a cattle trailer

Sorry CQ, gotta disagree with you on this one. While the open bow boats can look stylish with the right tower, they look out of place on a 196. I wont argue with the functionality, but a tower disrupts the clean lines of a sleek closed bow boat like the new 196's, IMHO. Ill stick with my Fly high for barefooting Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

[Quinner]

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Timmy,

Personal preference, what color is that new boat of yours again??

The 196 does look awesome clean where I think the 206 looks better w/tower, agree on the monster not being good on anything but with the right tower a 196 can look pretty cool.

BTW, you can barefoot, I gotta see that!

[boatech]

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the boat is worth what someone is willing to pay not a penny more. as for towers being a bad thing i dont see it that way. i have had boats sit on the lot for months with no intrest in them add a monster tower add the price to the orignal asking price and the boat sells within a week. i dont understand why i dont get calls on them without the towers i mean anybody can add a tower after but it never fails if i list a boat and it does not have a tower. i dont get alot of hits on it and if i dont sell it within4-6weeks i add a tower and the phone rings off the hook. so my 2cents a tower is never a bad thing to add to your boat. if your trying to sell it you attract 10x more people if it has a tower.its weird i dont understand it but i found it to be very true.

[Andrew]

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glad to see this thread!
i got very tired of seeing peoples ads being bashed .....
imo, this is the way things should be done, and i commend the mods for recognizing this!


as for the value of a 2001.......... beauty is in the "pocket of the buyer" just take a look at barret jackson car auctions...... old cars that my parents and their parents passed up for a nice new ride are now selling at astronomical prices! some are bone stock, right off of the showroom floor, while others are chopped, dropped, and have powertrains that were designed only yesterday..........

people buy what they want.... PERIOD! if ur the lucky son of a gun that can turn around and double your investment, then all i can say is "job well done"

my biased opinion:
2001's are the greatest boats ever built and should not be sold for less than 5mil a piece.......
with that being said, if my opinion ever becomes popular concensus, then u will be sure to find a FOR SALE sign on my 2001

[TRBenj]

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Timmy,

Personal preference, what color is that new boat of yours again??

The 196 does look awesome clean where I think the 206 looks better w/tower, agree on the monster not being good on anything but with the right tower a 196 can look pretty cool.

BTW, you can barefoot, I gotta see that!

Your "snot green" description is spot on... the ugliness adds to its charm :mrgreen:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the tower thing- the 206 looks good with one, and can look good without as well (like the promo at GL '06). I cant say the same for the 196, but I guess my taste is a little conservative.

Bring that big talk out east next year and we'll see who can barefoot. 8-)

[east tx skier]

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WHY PUT A TOWER ON A 196? its like putting a gooseneck hookup on the trunk lid of a ferarri.

I totally disagree with that, a tower is a functional part of any boat unless it is only used for slalom and trick skiing, the pull from a tower is much better for most any other event outside of those. The other advantage of the tower is it's a great location for a bimini, speakers and to store ski's/boards, etc.

In this case, it is my opinion that the monster tower installed on the boat I mentioned did not look as good on the 196 as, for example, the spider towers CC offered in 2003. Otherwise, I have ridden and skied behind this boat and it is fantastic. As you mentioned, if you're just slalom skiing, there's not much reason for it other than storage. That's why a tower was a deal killer in my case.

Sorry CQ, gotta disagree with you on this one. While the open bow boats can look stylish with the right tower, they look out of place on a 196. I wont argue with the functionality, but a tower disrupts the clean lines of a sleek closed bow boat like the new 196's, IMHO. Ill stick with my Fly high for barefooting Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

Precisely ...

[Erik]

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my biased opinion:
2001's are the greatest boats ever built and should not be sold for less than 5mil a piece.......
with that being said, if my opinion ever becomes popular consensus, then u will be sure to find a FOR SALE sign on my 2001

For my angle on it - the best and most versatile boat Correct Craft has ever produced is the Sport Nautique. Followed closely by the 210/Super Sport, and then, in third the 82-89 Ski Nautique. I do have a feeling that the 230/236 can crack that top teir, as could the 211 but only time can tell on that. We're 5 years away from being able to make that determination on the newer models but they hold a lot of promise.

As of late there has been pretty serious conversations occurring in my circle about a 230 sooner than later.. 30% pipe dreamy but 70% dead serious. Ahh thats a whole other topic altogether. N'ermind.

[82tique]

2001 Pricing

Who cares what the tower looks like? All that matters is what you can do at the end of the line.

BTW: Fair Price = Willing Buyer + Willing Seller