2015 SAN 230 piggyback ballast upgrade

[Xcz504d]

What did you use to support the wall? Did the trays crack?

[seveet]

Last year I installed the 50 x 20 x 20 bags. These worked great with the trays in place. They did slightly push up the trays. I would recommend additional support as I did blow out my Port side engine divider. I also had them install an IBS. This was nice especially when we had a lot of people in the boat. I would use this to help bring the nose down a little bit. Towards the end of the season I played around with a 400 pound bag on the floor. This really seem to help when it was skewed towards the Surfside. This combined with the IBS and the 750's was overall insane. I felt like I was coming off a cliff. I really wouldn't recommend any more weight in the back than 750s. Once you have that much weight back there you really need to start adding midship weight and bow weight. We also tended to skew the weight in the back 200 pounds towards the Surfside. I hope this helps.

[deelan]

I don't have a 230 but I do have a 2015 210. I went thru several bags and finally stuck with the ronix 550lb bags. Might be a little small for the 230 but I have the hard tanks plus I'm adding some lead bags and can keep my trays in.


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[toomuchuv]

Another $0.02 I forgot to add..... double check your plumbing to ensure the line for the bag is on the straight-thru side of the Tee and the hard tanks are off the side. I had one side like that and the other backwards. The backwards side would dump out the over flow before the bag would fill completely. I also had to add another push-pin to keep the divider down and in place. If not, it kicks out and bends something fierce when the bags are full.

[Xcz504d]

I'm in the process of upgrading my rear bags with custom ordered bags, I say "in the process" because I ran into some issues I didn't consider.

First, I wanted to keep the trays, I ordered 17x17x60 bags, not adding in extra weight for bag swelling, 625 pounds each, my guess, with swelling, closer to 660'ish. Bags were $200 each directly from fly high.

I underestimated the amount of bag swelling, the trays are going to lift, I test inflated with air yesterday, but the bags weren't "rock solid full", so I will just have to see when I am done and get it in the water, but with just air, the lockers closed and trays lifted about half an inch.

The plumbing, the stock bags have the front vent off center, I didn't pay attention to that when I ordered the custom bags, and my custom bags has a center top vent, this is significant because the stock length of hose will have too much bend when full and will pinch the line. If I shorten it to compensate for the new height and vent position, then the bag won't lay flat when empty. I think I want to keep the stock vent line, so I ordered some 90 degree elbows and additional hose, I will have to play with how I want that all connected, still unsure.

I'm also going to watch to make sure the engine compartment dividers don't flex with the full bags.

I also had to order new connectors for the bag, the stock ones are glued in, although after I ordered the connectors, I found a video of someone using a hair drier to soften the glue to get the connectors out, but I want to keep the stock bags and stock hoses in case I ever revert back for whatever reason.

I am using the stock fill hose, it lines up and fits perfectly, and trying to keep the stock vent hose, if you do replace the stock vent hose, make sure you keep the check valve inline.


EDIT: Conservative measurement is 16x16x60 which is apps 560 pounds if I remember right + bag swelling, my 17x17 was me trying to be greedy, I measure id 5 times over the course of a month and decided 17x17 was the number for me.

EDIT: Just some quick math, if the bags swell an inch on each side, (18x18) that is appx 700 pounds, if they swell 2 inches on each side, (19x19) that is appx 780 pounds.

16x16x60 = 550 pounds
17x17x60 = 625 pounds
18x18x60 = 700 pounds
19x19x60 = 780 pounds

[Stealthall]

So I heard back from Wakemakers and mentioned going custom would be best. He referenced our width being 16", does anyone know the height and length of the compartment? Mine is in storage as well so can't get at it...

[Guntersville230]

Save yourself the suspense, measure it for yourself and do the calcs. One cubic foot of water=62.48 pounds. No way anyone is getting an actual 750 pounds with the trays in. You may fit the sacks in there, but they won't weigh 750. That's why I went custom. Even without trays, I'm only gettin 827 lbs.

I would if I could! Boat is up in storage and wrapped....trying to learn from others experience while I count down days till its warm enough to get it out!



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[markj]

I also sent an email to the peeps at Wakemakers to see if they know of a bag that will fit with trays and still be 750 ish


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Save yourself the suspense, measure it for yourself and do the calcs. One cubic foot of water=62.48 pounds. No way anyone is getting an actual 750 pounds with the trays in. You may fit the sacks in there, but they won't weigh 750. That's why I went custom. Even without trays, I'm only gettin 827 lbs.

[Guntersville230]

I also sent an email to the peeps at Wakemakers to see if they know of a bag that will fit with trays and still be 750 ish


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AWESOME! Let us know what you hear back!


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[Stealthall]

I also sent an email to the peeps at Wakemakers to see if they know of a bag that will fit with trays and still be 750 ish


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[toomuchuv]

I was wondering if tie downs like the stock ones would be worth it. What kind of glue did you use?

HH-66 works great!

[Guntersville230]

Most people seem to be using the 50x20x20 bags...i believe i saw on wakemakers you can buy a 50x15hx25w which will drop the top by 5" but not sure how that width will do in the space....if anyone has used this bag size let us know cause sounds like SEVERAL people are looking to get as big as possible while still keeping trays! (Myself included)


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[Stealthall]

Is there a custom bag size we can order that will still be around 750b per side and keep the trays? I really like having the trays for life jackets, etc.

Or is there a tray out there that fits with the stock 750's?

[markj]

Same here. I just like the durability of the Sumo Sacs ... Just needed to mess with existing hose lengths to make them perfect. I even glued some tie downs from an old water toy to hold them in place.

I was wondering if tie downs like the stock ones would be worth it. What kind of glue did you use?

[toomuchuv]

I am using straight line sumo sacs. You just have to add your fittings. Fly high uses different fittings than the straight line ones. Just call wakemakers I am sure they will set you up.

Same here. I just like the durability of the Sumo Sacs ... Just needed to mess with existing hose lengths to make them perfect. I even glued some tie downs from an old water toy to hold them in place.