2015 SAN 230 piggyback ballast upgrade

[markj]

I also sent an email to the peeps at Wakemakers to see if they know of a bag that will fit with trays and still be 750 ish


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Save yourself the suspense, measure it for yourself and do the calcs. One cubic foot of water=62.48 pounds. No way anyone is getting an actual 750 pounds with the trays in. You may fit the sacks in there, but they won't weigh 750. That's why I went custom. Even without trays, I'm only gettin 827 lbs.

[Guntersville230]

Save yourself the suspense, measure it for yourself and do the calcs. One cubic foot of water=62.48 pounds. No way anyone is getting an actual 750 pounds with the trays in. You may fit the sacks in there, but they won't weigh 750. That's why I went custom. Even without trays, I'm only gettin 827 lbs.

I would if I could! Boat is up in storage and wrapped....trying to learn from others experience while I count down days till its warm enough to get it out!



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[Stealthall]

So I heard back from Wakemakers and mentioned going custom would be best. He referenced our width being 16", does anyone know the height and length of the compartment? Mine is in storage as well so can't get at it...

[Xcz504d]

I'm in the process of upgrading my rear bags with custom ordered bags, I say "in the process" because I ran into some issues I didn't consider.

First, I wanted to keep the trays, I ordered 17x17x60 bags, not adding in extra weight for bag swelling, 625 pounds each, my guess, with swelling, closer to 660'ish. Bags were $200 each directly from fly high.

I underestimated the amount of bag swelling, the trays are going to lift, I test inflated with air yesterday, but the bags weren't "rock solid full", so I will just have to see when I am done and get it in the water, but with just air, the lockers closed and trays lifted about half an inch.

The plumbing, the stock bags have the front vent off center, I didn't pay attention to that when I ordered the custom bags, and my custom bags has a center top vent, this is significant because the stock length of hose will have too much bend when full and will pinch the line. If I shorten it to compensate for the new height and vent position, then the bag won't lay flat when empty. I think I want to keep the stock vent line, so I ordered some 90 degree elbows and additional hose, I will have to play with how I want that all connected, still unsure.

I'm also going to watch to make sure the engine compartment dividers don't flex with the full bags.

I also had to order new connectors for the bag, the stock ones are glued in, although after I ordered the connectors, I found a video of someone using a hair drier to soften the glue to get the connectors out, but I want to keep the stock bags and stock hoses in case I ever revert back for whatever reason.

I am using the stock fill hose, it lines up and fits perfectly, and trying to keep the stock vent hose, if you do replace the stock vent hose, make sure you keep the check valve inline.


EDIT: Conservative measurement is 16x16x60 which is apps 560 pounds if I remember right + bag swelling, my 17x17 was me trying to be greedy, I measure id 5 times over the course of a month and decided 17x17 was the number for me.

EDIT: Just some quick math, if the bags swell an inch on each side, (18x18) that is appx 700 pounds, if they swell 2 inches on each side, (19x19) that is appx 780 pounds.

16x16x60 = 550 pounds
17x17x60 = 625 pounds
18x18x60 = 700 pounds
19x19x60 = 780 pounds

[toomuchuv]

Another $0.02 I forgot to add..... double check your plumbing to ensure the line for the bag is on the straight-thru side of the Tee and the hard tanks are off the side. I had one side like that and the other backwards. The backwards side would dump out the over flow before the bag would fill completely. I also had to add another push-pin to keep the divider down and in place. If not, it kicks out and bends something fierce when the bags are full.

[deelan]

I don't have a 230 but I do have a 2015 210. I went thru several bags and finally stuck with the ronix 550lb bags. Might be a little small for the 230 but I have the hard tanks plus I'm adding some lead bags and can keep my trays in.


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[seveet]

Last year I installed the 50 x 20 x 20 bags. These worked great with the trays in place. They did slightly push up the trays. I would recommend additional support as I did blow out my Port side engine divider. I also had them install an IBS. This was nice especially when we had a lot of people in the boat. I would use this to help bring the nose down a little bit. Towards the end of the season I played around with a 400 pound bag on the floor. This really seem to help when it was skewed towards the Surfside. This combined with the IBS and the 750's was overall insane. I felt like I was coming off a cliff. I really wouldn't recommend any more weight in the back than 750s. Once you have that much weight back there you really need to start adding midship weight and bow weight. We also tended to skew the weight in the back 200 pounds towards the Surfside. I hope this helps.

[Xcz504d]

What did you use to support the wall? Did the trays crack?

[seveet]

The engine divider just warped and jumped the bottom track. A couple of the supports were slightly bent. This may have been improperly installed after my first oil change. If wakemakers sells a support kit for the engine dividers, it may be worth the investment.

[markj]

The engine divider just warped and jumped the bottom track. A couple of the supports were slightly bent. This may have been improperly installed after my first oil change. If wakemakers sells a support kit for the engine dividers, it may be worth the investment.

My 2015 has a horizontal support bar about mid-way up between the two verticals which hold the dividers. Does yours have that middle horizontal bar and if so, were you saying your sack blew out the divider despite that middle bar? It also seems that the suplimental supports that wakemakers sells would have to be installed on the sack side only. Otherwise, you cant pull the divider out. I'm about to install my custom ordered sacks (if they ever show up) from wakemakers and the only thing I'm not certain about, is whether I need to add a support kit or not.

[seveet]

Sorry, my boat is in storage. If I remember correctly, I had the horizontal support (it is a 2015) and that is what was slightly bent. This only happened on the port side and I am not sure they had properly reinstalled the divider after the oil change. This is the side that spends the most time completely full as it is the main side we surf on. You may just want to keep an eye on it and add support if you think you need it. Here is a picture of the wave with the 750's and the IBS.

[Xcz504d]

Nice wake! I finally received my additional plumbing from wakemakers (90 degree elbows and tubing) today, I'm thinking about ordering an 8 foot section of aluminum U-tube from grainger and cutting it myself ($9 vs $60). I'm hoping to dial in the pocket to 20 feet with the added weight.

Here is a shot of my GF riding in the back, she is 5'10" and the board is a 5'2" fish, I can easily ride another foot further back on my IS sweet spot depending on weight. I think this wake had 6 people in the boat and one on the back deck, wedge up, NSS 2-3 and 11.3mph. We may have had 400 on the floor, I don't remember exactly, wake is usually close to mid thigh.

[Guntersville230]

Nice wake! I finally received my additional plumbing from wakemakers (90 degree elbows and tubing) today, I'm thinking about ordering an 8 foot section of aluminum U-tube from grainger and cutting it myself ($9 vs $60). I'm hoping to dial in the pocket to 20 feet with the added weight.

Here is a shot of my GF riding in the back, she is 5'10" and the board is a 5'2" fish, I can easily ride another foot further back on my IS sweet spot depending on weight. I think this wake had 6 people in the boat and one on the back deck, wedge up, NSS 2-3 and 11.3mph. We may have had 400 on the floor, I don't remember exactly, wake is usually close to mid thigh.
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Where do you need the 90 degree attachments? How many? wanted to order everything together for the 750's and just wondered what all parts to get up front. Wave looks AWESOME!

[Xcz504d]

I'm wanting to keep the original plumbing in tact, in case I ever throw the original bags back in. The original bags had the vent offset from the center, I ordered custom bags with the vent in the center, couple that with the extra height of the bag, and the stock vent hose is too long and will have too much bend. In order for me to preserve that section of hose, I ordered some additional hose, and 90 degree bends, the 90 degree bend I'm thinking is just going to have the hose do a u-turn without the hose kink. They just came in yesterday, so the new bags aren't plumbed in yet, I will play around with it this weekend to how I like the final fit, and hopefully this summer that wave will look even nicer.


One thing to consider ordering, the 1"inch hose attachments for your 750 bags, the stock bags have the hose attachments glued in.

All in all I ordered 5 feet of extra hose, 4 1 inch adapters for the bag, 4 90 degree bends, and hose clamps, we will see how I end up lego'ing this all together.

[markj]

Well, I just received my custom rear sacks from wakemkers today. Pretty simple install and they seem to fit like a glove. Still waiting on the custom front sack which should be here this week. Can't wait to fill em up and test them all out. Also received 400 lbs of Lead Wake's bags today. They are super high quality. Now if I could just make the sun shine like it was last week.....