Surf/ballast settings who tinkers and who doesn't

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  • snidclothing
    • Jul 2019
    • 22

    • AB


    Surf/ballast settings who tinkers and who doesn't

    Wondering what the % of owners (all manufacturers) have issues (meaning not ideal) with their wakes? or even care? (i know there are some users who push a button and are satisfied with that or some that don't know any better) I personally went through constant adjustments for years with our starter boat (axis) and lost significant riding time because of this. Obviously less time lost once we were able to upgrade to a G but still played around a lot. How long have you guys tinkered with wakes?
  • bturner
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Jun 2019
    • 1564

    • MI

    • 2016 200 Sport Nautique

    #2
    In my experience most tuning for something like surfing (which seems to require the most "tuning", at least for us) is done in the first season of any "new" boat. None of the people I ride with have dedicated surf ships with auto ride control or whatever it's called on this or that manufacture's boat, so that first season is pretty critical in finding what works and doesn't.

    The first season on my boat for example, I added bags to the lockers and borrowed 3 different shapers to test with. Within the next 10 sessions or so we pretty much dialed in what seemed to work best with ballast load, shaper type / placement and speed. By the end of the season I had the bags plumbed into the onboard ballast and could have the boat set up to surf in about 15 minutes (time to fill the ballast and place the shaper). The second season I was pretty much making minor adjustments to the ballast system and tuning the process of setting the boat up for consistent results. I still pay attention to shifts in weight, gear placement in the boat and speed adjustments but a lot of this is mostly adjusting to changing conditions in weather or the lake we're boating on. This process seems to be about the same with any new boat myself or one of my friends buy. Once we have a lock on the setup, that's pretty much it. At that point it's pretty much about "more riding, less wanking". The last thing I want to get into is "slalom idiot" mode where we have riders crying the speed was off by a 1/4 mph or someone wasn't sitting in quite the right place which ruined their run. I'm wayyyy past that and am there for fun, friends and good rides.

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    • MN Ryan
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Aug 2020
      • 1246

      • Maple Grove, MN

      • 2007 SV-211 TE

      #3
      I'm much the same as bturner. I have an ancient '07 (that I love), and once I got the ballast set up and shaper placement figured out, I basically know what works and don't mess much with it. I don't have the time (or funds) to chase perfection--I just love my time on the water.

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      • vision
        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
        • Jul 2011
        • 515

        • NC

        • 2013 G23

        #4
        I agree with Bturner and MN Ryan. once you dial on how you like the shape, there is little tweaking besides individual rider needs. I also adjust for how many people in the boat and their position. If the nss gets too far under water (over ballasted boat) the wave becomes poor. It looks ok but the push suffers.

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        • hal2814
          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
          • Jun 2016
          • 541

          • Ft Worth, TX

          • 2022 G23, Previous: 2021 GS24, 2011 Super Air Nautique 230, 1995 Super Sport, 1983 Ski Nautique

          #5
          I personally want a consistent wave. I'll ride whatever is available but I find it harder to progress when I'm constantly relearning wave characteristics. I am specifically in the newer hull G23 right now because it minimizes time-consuming adjustments. I don't usually go out all day. A lot of times I take weekday evening runs and we don't have time to be tinkering with a wave. I need a wave I can set quickly for all of my riders. Waiting 5-10 minutes to adjust ballast for regular vs goofy riders is a big deal when you only have 2-3 hours total. The G23 is the first boat I haven't had to do that with. We ride 100% always. Speed and wave shape we do change between riders and/or board types based on their preferences. Sometimes I'll also adjust a little for wind/chop. The only real tinkering I really do anymore is adjusting speed or wave shape to help me learn something specific. Like I might slow it down a little if I'm having problems on a spin or speed it up if I need to get a little more air than I get on my usual settings.

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          • nickleej80
            • Aug 2022
            • 29
            • Rathbun Lake

            • Iowa

            • 2023 Super Air Nautique G23

            #6
            Originally posted by hal2814 View Post
            I personally want a consistent wave. I'll ride whatever is available but I find it harder to progress when I'm constantly relearning wave characteristics. I am specifically in the newer hull G23 right now because it minimizes time-consuming adjustments. I don't usually go out all day. A lot of times I take weekday evening runs and we don't have time to be tinkering with a wave. I need a wave I can set quickly for all of my riders. Waiting 5-10 minutes to adjust ballast for regular vs goofy riders is a big deal when you only have 2-3 hours total. The G23 is the first boat I haven't had to do that with. We ride 100% always. Speed and wave shape we do change between riders and/or board types based on their preferences. Sometimes I'll also adjust a little for wind/chop. The only real tinkering I really do anymore is adjusting speed or wave shape to help me learn something specific. Like I might slow it down a little if I'm having problems on a spin or speed it up if I need to get a little more air than I get on my usual settings.
            Great info! Thank you!

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