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  • GeoffW
    • Aug 2018
    • 75

    • Saskatchewan

    • 04 SV211

    #16
    Now for the harder stuff. This boat did not come with ballast built in. I have a pile of bags and pumps from both this boat and my old boat. In reading, I find alot of people have removed the original hard tanks and aerators anyways, so maybe I'm lucky I'm starting from scratch?

    The plan is to use two 540lbs big bags in the back corners with a 500lbs ski locker bag from WakerMakers in the ski locker. We may need to add a bit of weight to the nose once everything is finished, but we'll see how it goes. Last year we found a nice surf wave with the 540's filled, a 300lbs bag in the locker and another 300 in the bow walkway that we couldn't fully fill. The WM ski locker bag I bought measured like it will be able to fill completely and I should be able to move some of the weight further out to the nose, so I'm optimistically hoping it'll work out. I bought ballast pumps and some other parts during Wakemakers Black Friday sale last fall and have their Wakemakers house branded Johnson 720 GPH pumps.

    I plan to integrate into the factor keypad and at this point.

    Anyhow here's the start. First things first was to find a spot to mount the intakes. I could have gone to a larger single intake, but I chose to do 3 individuals. I'm using 3 x 1" WM brass inlet fittings. After some reading most seemed to suggest not to keep these in a straight line, which makes good sense. I measured everything a number of times and then built a test bench out of plywood to make sure all the fittings had the proper clearances for install or removal. I found with the 1" ball valves, I needed about 6" CTC to ensure there was no contact. From here, I made a cardboard template to measure inside and outside of the hull. Measuring on the outside of the hull vs the inside was a bit of a guess as I wasn't quite sure how thick the hull was to account for curvature. I ended up assuming it was thicker than it was.

    The best place I found to mount the fittings was on the starboard side of the engine block, despite my 6'+ frame needing to become a contortionist each time I went down into the ski locker. I found measuring off the prop shaft support was the most reliable measurement inside/outside that was close. I made my template to fit over those bolt holes and measure.

    After alot of measuring I put some painters tape on the hull and drew it all out. After going back and forth between the inside and the outside of the boat, I ended up spacing the 3 holes over a 15" length and offset each hole by about 5/8" from it's neighbor. That was about as much room as I could allow. Reasoning for this was that the handle of one of the ball valves was close to the engine starter and reversing it bought me alot of room.

    I had both 1 1/4" and 1 3/8" hole saws. I like tools and admittedly have alot. Unfortunately , the 1 1/4" hole saw was too tight and the 1 3/8" was too sloppy for my liking going through plywood. I rarely have seen a hole saw not have a slight wobble to it so they always seem to come out slightly oversized. WM site suggested that a 1 3/8" was allowable, but I would have been using quite a bit of sealant to fill that hole. I bought a 1 5/16" hole saw and it was bang on perfect. I would highly recommend this to anyone installing a 1" inlet fitting.

    As others have done, and WM's site suggests, I drilled through the gelcoat in reverse until I started to see fibreglass powder. One hole I drilled in reverse the entire way and I believe it came out cleaner than the ones I switched to a forward cut. If you've worked with fibreglass before, you know this, but if you haven't, use all the necessary PPE and a long sleeved coat or jacket when you are doing this - fibreglass slivers and dust is annoying to work with.

    I then took some 80 grit sand paper and cleaned up the holes inside and out, and chamfered the edges out. Cuts came out really nice and clean and never ende dup with any chipped gelcoat.

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    • GeoffW
      • Aug 2018
      • 75

      • Saskatchewan

      • 04 SV211

      #17
      For those who were are curious as I was..this is how thick the bottom of the hull of a SV211 is
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      • MrJake
        • Mar 2004
        • 73

        • Bellingham, WA

        • 2013 200V Team Edition 1979 Ski Nautique

        #18
        Very cool.


        Sent from my iPhone using PLT Nautique

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        • GeoffW
          • Aug 2018
          • 75

          • Saskatchewan

          • 04 SV211

          #19
          Little more work completed over the past day or two on the installation of the inlet fittings. They fit really nice and snug in there and didn't need nearly as much 3M 4000 as I was expecting them to. Tightening them was a different story. Again, semi pro contortionist GeoffW had to try multiple angles to fit in the ski locker to tighten the fittings down.

          In trying to figure out how to hold them, I ended up building a tool that worked really well for tightening the fittings. It's a 5/8" bolt I believe and I used a bandsaw to cut slots in through the head. I double nutted the end with a washer and tack welded the nuts in place. Put the nut in there so the bolt couldn't fall through the fitting. Worked super well as I could use a ratchet with socket to hold things. May have to build a long one to install the ball valves, but see how it goes.
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          • GeoffW
            • Aug 2018
            • 75

            • Saskatchewan

            • 04 SV211

            #20
            Letting the fittings sit for a while to ensure the 4000 cures. Plus, I'm really in no rush to stuff more in the engine bay that I need to at this point.

            Moving on to the wiring while I have room to do it. I want to use the existing touchpad. The boat was optioned with the Team edition keyless touchpad. My biggest question was where and what is the wiring like from the touchpad back? I had no idea what I was getting into here. Buttons on the touchpad light up so there's power to them and they have active breakers, so start from there....
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            • GeoffW
              • Aug 2018
              • 75

              • Saskatchewan

              • 04 SV211

              #21
              Working backwards, I removed the kickpanel under the dash and verified the wiring to the 40 pin schematics given in the wiring section on PN (Thanks NautiqueJeff for assembling that page - it's been so useful to me!!) From there, start tracing wires. Found the rear ballast tank wire bundles way at the back of the boat, ziptied to the transom. I was surprised to find the boat prewired for ballast even though it didn't come with it. What's more interesting is they are all harnessed, but the dead ends are wired with resistive loads which I can only imagine are to subdue voltage spikes? Test out to be fairly high Ohm loads for only providing a resistive load @ 11K Ohms
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              • Stevemo14
                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                • Apr 2019
                • 691

                • Columbus, OH

                • 2005 Super Air 210 Team; 1960 Chris Craft 18' Continental

                #22
                Geoff,

                Look at this thread. it has all the wireing and relays you will need for using the keypad.

                https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/f...ttons-question

                You cannot just hook the pumps to the keypad, they are not made to power impeller pumps, plus you will not be able to reverse them with out the relays.

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                • GeoffW
                  • Aug 2018
                  • 75

                  • Saskatchewan

                  • 04 SV211

                  #23
                  I was on a high thinking I'm on easy street, then I remembered I still have two more signal harnesses to look for for the front tanks. I start looking and after an hour of searching no luck. Running out of places to look and figure screw it...pull the floor. Luck I did, because it was stuck in a ziptied loom, port side, middle of the fuel tank. Same resistor pigtails connected.

                  At this point, I've decided to cut the resistors off and solder extensions on to get the signal wire to my new panel box. I figure the relays, which already have resistors for voltage spike control, shouldn't have an issue and I really can't fathom why else I would need the resistors in series in this line? Any thoughts?
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                  • GeoffW
                    • Aug 2018
                    • 75

                    • Saskatchewan

                    • 04 SV211

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Stevemo14 View Post
                    Geoff,

                    Look at this thread. it has all the wireing and relays you will need for using the keypad.

                    https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/f...ttons-question

                    You cannot just hook the pumps to the keypad, they are not made to power impeller pumps, plus you will not be able to reverse them with out the relays.
                    Much appreciated info! I've been digging into this for almost a year in prep! I know the signal wires are low voltage and won't handle more than an amp or two through them. Planning 6 resistive relay bank, with circuit breaker supplies from a distrubtion block. Heads up is very much appreciated!!! Thanks!!
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                    • beretta5spd
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 37



                      #25
                      Very classy mods! I spent years in SK and now I'm back in MB. Keep the pics coming

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                      • GeoffW
                        • Aug 2018
                        • 75

                        • Saskatchewan

                        • 04 SV211

                        #26
                        Spent a bit more time on wiring and harness building this weekend. Intention here is to be able to disconnect and or reconnect anything that may need repair in it's lifetime, thus, plug and play.

                        Last week I decided to make a change in the relays I was using. I previously bought some cheaper, fused relays a month or two ago. After some thought, I don't want to risk frying the touchpad, so ordered another set of relays with individual fuse holders and 25A circuit breakers. I thought about picking up a fuse bank, but then I need more room in the box to lay things out. This should work just fine. Relays I picked up are shown below and were relatively cheap. Used Cole Hershee stuff for years with good success. Hopefull with the diodes built in, I should have no issues with voltage spiking.
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                        • GeoffW
                          • Aug 2018
                          • 75

                          • Saskatchewan

                          • 04 SV211

                          #27
                          Thought I could go a bit further with wiring before I started plumbing, but I'm getting a bit tired of stepping over a massive hole in the floor. I need to close it up. In order to do so, I want to run my supply hose to the ski locker bag from the pumps. In order to do that, I need to mount the pumps.

                          Pumps are 3x WM 720GPH reversibles. I bought these on a Black Friday sale last fall. I already clipped the harness ends and redid the ends with spade connectors. I need to redo those already as I mismatched them so they couldn't be confused, but now I"m having second thoughts. I spun the pump heads on all of the pumps so the drains are pointing down for winter draining. Now, I'm not quite sure which way the pumps are going to turn. Pump motors state CCW and CW pending which post I connect as the positive, but in anything that came with the pumps, I can't figure out where that is viewed from - back or front of the pump? Going to have to ask WM's to verify. In anycase, I'm redoing the terminals to make them matching in the event I have to swap leads to get the proper direction. Wiring attached to the pump is a 14GA wire, I had a pile of 10/3 Romex laying around so I"ll complete the runs to the relays with 10Ga.

                          Pumps are going to be mounted on the aluminum cross brace that supports the ski pole. Preliminary fit appears that I'll have to angle park the pumps to have them fit. THey are too long to fit on the crossbar and not pump the fibreglass. Additionally, because I'm chosing to use 1" line and elbows the entire way through and not the 1/2" MNPT internal threads, I need a tiny bit more space and thus, have to stagger. I wish the pumps had 1" external threads - would have made fitting them alot easier.
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                          • GeoffW
                            • Aug 2018
                            • 75

                            • Saskatchewan

                            • 04 SV211

                            #28
                            Originally posted by beretta5spd View Post
                            Very classy mods! I spent years in SK and now I'm back in MB. Keep the pics coming
                            I grew up right along the border near the Duck Mtns! Career took me further South, but I go back to the NE a lot. Such a nice part of the province!

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                            • GeoffW
                              • Aug 2018
                              • 75

                              • Saskatchewan

                              • 04 SV211

                              #29
                              Took an hour and tried to find the right angles for the pumps. The Johnson pumps are fairly long and are a little sensitive to placement. If I put them perpendicular to the crossmember, the inlet/outlets collide and the back of the pump motor bumps the rear seat. Angling them is really the only solution here and will hopefully make my hose routing go a little smoother and cleaner. Current plan is to use the bow facing pump ports as inlets and the stern ports as outlets. I'll be adding 1" elbows on both ports to make everything fit and clean up the install. I was a little concerned about flow restrictions in adding elbows to both sides, but the pump body necks down to 1/2" anyways, so losses should be negligible.
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                              • beretta5spd
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 37



                                #30
                                Originally posted by GeoffW View Post

                                I grew up right along the border near the Duck Mtns! Career took me further South, but I go back to the NE a lot. Such a nice part of the province!
                                Those pumps look good!

                                I haven't been to the ducks in a long time! Wakeboarded at Madge probably 8 years ago.

                                I spend most of my time just north of Brandon and in the Clear Lake area.

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