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  • core-rider
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Feb 2004
    • 1345

    • Huntsville, AL

    • 2003 Black SANTE

    Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

    I was asked by a few people how I did mine, so I figured I would do a little write up...

    2003 SANTE Ballast Upgrade

    Materials needed:
    4 – ¾” npt 90 degree hose barb fittings
    20-30’ of ¾” tubing
    2 – Fly High “Wedge” sacs


    This reviews how to install “Wedge” sacs on top of the factory ballast tanks in a 2003 – up SANTE.

    (This was my original installation)

    I started by removing the carpeted board that sits on top of the tanks. This is not required, but I didn’t want water to start mildewing under the sac in the carpet. I then removed the factory overflow hose from the top, rear of the tank. I then set the sac in place and routed a piece of ¾” hose from the overflow on the tank towards the front of the sac. I installed one of the 90 degree hose barb fittings into the fitting on the sac and pushed the hose onto it. I then installed another 90 hose bard fitting into the rear, top fitting on the sac and ran another short piece of hose to the overflow thru-hull fitting . Repeat the same process for the other side.

    (Upgrade to original installation)

    Materials needed:
    2 – 11/16” rubber expansion plugs
    2 – ¾” hose barb “T” fittings
    4 – ¾” hose clamps

    I very quickly found out that once the tanks were full and water should have been pushed to the sac that I had an issue. Water would flow out through the empty pump on the tank and out of the boat. I went to AutoZone and picked up some rubber expansion plugs. I can’t remember the correct size, but I think the were 11/16”. These have a 10mm nut that you can turn to expand the plug to fit the empty port thru-hull fitting on the outside of the boat. Once it’s plugged the sacs started to fill. Once the sacs were full the water spilled out of the overflow port just like having the factory routing. I then found my next issue. With the sacs full and under way while riding the sacs would siphon empty through the overflow because of the angle at which the sac was tilted and the short run to the outside. To fix this I removed the overflow hose and made a longer one that I routed down behind the tank and then back up out of the boat. Basically I created the trap similar to the one under your kitchen/bathroom sink. Once the sacs are full they will spill over the side like normal, but the trap keeps water from being siphoned out after filling. I also installed a “T” fitting in this hose. This way I had easier access to blow that trapped water out of the hose when it comes time to empty the sacs/tanks. If this isn’t done a suction is built up on the tanks causing them to empty slower and collapse. The hose barb “T” fittings I bought from AutoZone as well. They came from one of those cooling system flush kits. Unfortunately I had to buy 2 kits to get 2 correct size fittings. Two of the ends are barbed and the other has a screw on cap. I cut the overflow hose shortly after it leaves the sac and installed the “T” fitting, holding the hose in place with some clamps. I remove the cap, blow out the trapped water, and put the cap back on. Then I empty the sacs/tanks.

    In all this upgrade doesn’t cost too much and works very well with the factory pumps. If you open the thru-hull shut-off valves while underway they sacs will fill up, so always remember to close them once your done filling. This comes in handy when you want to make filling faster on your way to the ride spot. Emptying the system works great also. As long as there is no trapped water in the overflow, they will empty out completely and not suck the tanks together.

    I have also plumbed in a way to fill a V-drive sac in the bow, but it is more manual than automatic. Basically I installed some fittings, hose, and shut-off valves to use the factory fill/empty pumps for the belly tank, and use them to fill the V-drive sac in the bow. This requires opening up the door to access the belly tank and opening valves and connecting hose extensions, but I didn’t want to drill holes to route hoses. That could be done if you had one of those bow sacs they offer now though.

    Hope all this info makes sense and can help someone wanting to add extra weight.
    Jason
    All black 2003 SANTE
    -- Southern Fried --
  • gride300
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 1356

    • mobile, al


    #2
    RE: Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

    thanks bro

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    • gride300
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Apr 2008
      • 1356

      • mobile, al


      #3
      RE: Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

      so on the trap did you just make a U bend/horse shoe style before running it to the vent port on the hull? i wanted my dealer to take a look at it and tell me what he thought he wouldnt even look at it. he said they wouldnt even tell you how to put a tower on a boat that didnt come with one. can we say douche bag

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      • core-rider
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Feb 2004
        • 1345

        • Huntsville, AL

        • 2003 Black SANTE

        #4
        Re: RE: Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

        Originally posted by gride300
        so on the trap did you just make a U bend/horse shoe style before running it to the vent port on the hull? i wanted my dealer to take a look at it and tell me what he thought he wouldnt even look at it. he said they wouldnt even tell you how to put a tower on a boat that didnt come with one. can we say douche bag
        Yes, it's just a big U bend in the hose.
        Jason
        All black 2003 SANTE
        -- Southern Fried --

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        • gride300
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Apr 2008
          • 1356

          • mobile, al


          #5
          RE: Re: RE: Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

          one more question. when you go to empty do you have to unhook the tvalve and actually put your mouth on it to push the air?

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          • bowvan
            • Aug 2005
            • 100

            • sacramento


            #6
            RE: Re: RE: Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

            core,

            Why don't you plumb in the sac you have in the bow, the same way you did in the rear lockers?. The principal is the same. You just need to re-route the old vent hose up under the walk through (under the cooler) then add a new vent from the bag to the thru-hull.

            Also, if you leave the fill valves open (pumps off) while you ride, you won't have to worry about the "p-trap" or "blowing out" the lines. The bags will continuously fill while your under way, keeping your bags topped off. The vent allows for adequate protection from over filling the compartment. When you empty, just close the fill valves, pull the corks and run the pumps.

            Home Depot sells a cork that fits the empty hole('s) perfect. They are in the hardware isle, located in the plastic pull out trays. There cheep and they float.

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            • core-rider
              1,000 Post Club Member
              • Feb 2004
              • 1345

              • Huntsville, AL

              • 2003 Black SANTE

              #7
              Re: RE: Re: RE: Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

              Originally posted by gride300
              one more question. when you go to empty do you have to unhook the tvalve and actually put your mouth on it to push the air?
              Yes, I unscrew the cap off the "T" fitting and blow the water out with my mouth.
              Jason
              All black 2003 SANTE
              -- Southern Fried --

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              • core-rider
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Feb 2004
                • 1345

                • Huntsville, AL

                • 2003 Black SANTE

                #8
                Re: RE: Re: RE: Ballast upgrade how-to on 2003 - up SANTE

                Originally posted by bowvan
                core,

                Why don't you plumb in the sac you have in the bow, the same way you did in the rear lockers?. The principal is the same. You just need to re-route the old vent hose up under the walk through (under the cooler) then add a new vent from the bag to the thru-hull.

                Also, if you leave the fill valves open (pumps off) while you ride, you won't have to worry about the "p-trap" or "blowing out" the lines. The bags will continuously fill while your under way, keeping your bags topped off. The vent allows for adequate protection from over filling the compartment. When you empty, just close the fill valves, pull the corks and run the pumps.

                Home Depot sells a cork that fits the empty hole('s) perfect. They are in the hardware isle, located in the plastic pull out trays. There cheep and they float.
                I would have to either drill holes for the hoses to come out of the bow or have the hoses coming up out between the cushions because I sit the V-drive sac on top of my bow seats. Neither of which I want to do, so what I have works and it's not too much of a hassel.

                You would think leaving the valves open with the pumps off would just let the water circulate, but it is forced into the tanks/sacs faster than it could drain out the side. That causes the sacs to overfill pushing the hatch open. Trust me, I tried several different configurations before my final design. I just didn't write them down because they offered nothing to the build except extra words.

                I have thought about installing a valve in the overflow hose instead of using plugs, but there isn't much room back there and I just haven't gotten around to it yet. May have to try it soon cause I'm getting tiered of plugs.
                Jason
                All black 2003 SANTE
                -- Southern Fried --

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                • bowvan
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 100

                  • sacramento


                  #9
                  Core,

                  I've never had a problem with the hatch opening on my '04 (different latching mech) ,but if i did, I would just partially close the fill valves to balance the water input/output.

                  I keep a pre-plumbed bag in the bow (under the seat). I thought you were doing the same thing.

                  I haven't done it, but I've heard someone here installing a irrigation valve inline with the "empty" hose. Most of them are 24v, but I think they will still operate on 12v. You could then wire them to the same wiring as the fill pump. The valve would close when the fill pump runs and open when the empty pump runs. The tanks would probably leak a little when the fill pumps were off, but then you could just leave the fill valves open and keep them topped off.

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                  • gride300
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 1356

                    • mobile, al


                    #10
                    this is the best thread ever. i might have to give you a call core rider when i go to do this because i am very knowledgeless when it comes to nautique equipment and i'd feel better double checking even though your instructions and pics are great. do you ever make it down to the mobile area? my buddy has an 05 210 on fowl river and i'll be back in july with mine.

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                    • core-rider
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 1345

                      • Huntsville, AL

                      • 2003 Black SANTE

                      #11
                      Only time I get down to the coast is to go to my mom's condo in Orange Beach. Boat stays at home... It's not getting near salt water.
                      Jason
                      All black 2003 SANTE
                      -- Southern Fried --

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                      • gride300
                        1,000 Post Club Member
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 1356

                        • mobile, al


                        #12
                        ya i hear ya. his sits on the lift in brackish water and it's close loop cooled and we have to flush it for 10-15min when we are done for the day. if you're ever down that way pm me or whatever if you want to ride. i have a killer winch too and i can't wait to get home to hit up some spots.

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                        • gride300
                          1,000 Post Club Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 1356

                          • mobile, al


                          #13
                          i am going to use the fly high angled fittings and bag connects which are virtually the same. 3/4" where can i get the hose i need? and would the t valve be needed w/ the simple way of disconnecting the hose?

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                          • core-rider
                            1,000 Post Club Member
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 1345

                            • Huntsville, AL

                            • 2003 Black SANTE

                            #14
                            Lowes or Home Depot will have the hose. If the connections come apart easily, then no, there is no need for the "T" fittings.
                            Jason
                            All black 2003 SANTE
                            -- Southern Fried --

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                            • gride300
                              1,000 Post Club Member
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 1356

                              • mobile, al


                              #15
                              i am about to go get the hose and stuff. i wanted to double check where the expansion plug goes. i want to say in the overfow port, but im thinking you might mean the empty port like when you're emptying the tanks and not the overflow

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