Low Gauge Crimper in DFW area anyone?

[JUST-IN-TIME]

ABYC rules is no solder, it will break under stress
go crimping

Porsche switch to crimping on all their race cars years ago, they found the solder connection failing

[8122pbrainard]

ABYC rules is no solder, it will break under stress
go crimping

This is a interesting concept. I did a search to find the ruling without success. Could you provide a link or if you have the book, scan and post. I'd love to read it. Thanks

[Hollywood]

I've never been a fan of soldering for wires that bounce/move. I really like the set screw eyes/rings.

[Rick]

Try the local West Marine Store. If not try a custom Auto stereo shop.

[JUST-IN-TIME]

ABYC rules is no solder, it will break under stress
go crimping

This is a interesting concept. I did a search to find the ruling without success. Could you provide a link or if you have the book, scan and post. I'd love to read it. Thanks

Just remember ABYC is not USCG rules, boats are not required to be ABYC, the ABYC standard is above the USCG rules but not standardize

I will dig it out

Whole reason I know this is because my good buddy and I were talking a few years ago about it and he mentioned it. Stuck in my head since that day

[bobchris]

man what are you thinking didn't read everything but the hole is all ready 3/8" if it is for using on a 5/16 post, so all you really need to do is get the drill index out and drill out the hole a 1/32-1/16 larger than it currently is to work on the 3/8 post.

[Chexi]

Yes, I did think of that and have that as an option. I have to check out how much material would be left.

[AirTool]

ABYC rules is no solder, it will break under stress
go crimping

This is a interesting concept. I did a search to find the ruling without success. Could you provide a link or if you have the book, scan and post. I'd love to read it. Thanks

Just-in-time was close for a change.

"E-8.15.19 Solder shall not be the sole means of mechanical connection in any circuit. If soldered, the connection shall be so located or supported as to minimize flexing of the conductor where the solder changes the flexible conductor into a solid conductor.
E-8.15.20 Solderless crimp on connectors shall be attached with the type of crimping tools designed for the connector used, and that will produce a connection meeting the requirements of ABYC E-8.15.15."

not sure the contex of all that....but it is in there.

[JUST-IN-TIME]

close, by far

only time if i solder is repairing a break in a wire, matters which wire goes to also

i bet 99.9% had no clue until i posted it

[JUST-IN-TIME]

here are some great examples of how not to wire
those cup crimps are waiting for water to get in there
this is on a FOUNTAIN offshore race boat!
over 200K



here is a Boston whaler, over 150K


here is a sea-vee boat, 200K


I can go on and one
my brother in-law just picked a new wake boat, i'm going to look at it tomorrow and water test it. I'm also told him i will bring my check list so do not be pissed at me when i ripp the dealer off for not doing the checks

I will do a separate post on PDI's (Pre Deliver Inspection) and rigging separate

[8122pbrainard]

ABYC rules is no solder, it will break under stress
go crimping

This is a interesting concept. I did a search to find the ruling without success. Could you provide a link or if you have the book, scan and post. I'd love to read it. Thanks

Just-in-time was close for a change.

"E-8.15.19 Solder shall not be the sole means of mechanical connection in any circuit. If soldered, the connection shall be so located or supported as to minimize flexing of the conductor where the solder changes the flexible conductor into a solid conductor.
E-8.15.20 Solderless crimp on connectors shall be attached with the type of crimping tools designed for the connector used, and that will produce a connection meeting the requirements of ABYC E-8.15.15."

not sure the contex of all that....but it is in there.

Thanks! It is interesting! The way I read it, is it's ok to solder but also needs to be mechanically (crimped) and then of course limit the movement of the wire/cable. The mechanical crimp must be their worry that someone doesn't know how to solder and "sweat" the complete lug. Keeping the wire from flexing is to prevent the wire from breaking at the end of the soldered section where all the stress is. With just a crimp, the barrel of the lug provides some flex and stress protection. I still like the idea of soldering from the standpoint of keeping water out especially if a good grade of marine (tinned) wire/cable isn't used. Lots of people don't know the difference between marine and automotive wire! I've seen a few green connections over the years!

[AirTool]

Thanks! It is interesting! The way I read it, is it's ok to solder but also needs to be mechanically (crimped) and then of course limit the movement of the wire/cable. The mechanical crimp must be their worry that someone doesn't know how to solder and "sweat" the complete lug. Keeping the wire from flexing is to prevent the wire from breaking at the end of the soldered section where all the stress is. With just a crimp, the barrel of the lug provides some flex and stress protection. I still like the idea of soldering from the standpoint of keeping water out especially if a good grade of marine (tinned) wire/cable isn't used. Lots of people don't know the difference between marine and automotive wire! I've seen a few green connections over the years!

Yep..the other problem is that the solder sneaks up the wire by capillary effect which stiffens the wire and the bending point moves off the connector to under the insulation. There the stresses wear on the strands and cause problems that you can't see.

I like soldering...but you've got to have some mechanical strength as well.

[8122pbrainard]

Yep..the other problem is that the solder sneaks up the wire by capillary effect which stiffens the wire and the bending point moves off the connector to under the insulation. There the stresses wear on the strands and cause problems that you can't see.

I like soldering...but you've got to have some mechanical strength as well.

This morning I was at one of our local ACBS chapters tech seminars. It was basic wiring and ignition system. The guy doing the talk was a Power Squadron certified instructor and guess what, the ABYC soldering at mechanical terminations of wire came up!! Yes, it's the problem of the solder wicking up the stranded wire creating a stress point because the wire isn't flexible anymore. He went on to say that he does like to solder to seal moisture and then, if possible loops the wire back around itself in a 360 degree circle and the wire ties it back on itself. On large gauge wire say for battery banks, he will always solder besides crimping on the lug.

[AirTool]

Yep..the other problem is that the solder sneaks up the wire by capillary effect which stiffens the wire and the bending point moves off the connector to under the insulation. There the stresses wear on the strands and cause problems that you can't see.

I like soldering...but you've got to have some mechanical strength as well.

This morning I was at one of our local ACBS chapters tech seminars. It was basic wiring and ignition system. The guy doing the talk was a Power Squadron certified instructor and guess what, the ABYC soldering at mechanical terminations of wire came up!! Yes, it's the problem of the solder wicking up the stranded wire creating a stress point because the wire isn't flexible anymore. He went on to say that he does like to solder to seal moisture and then, if possible loops the wire back around itself in a 360 degree circle and the wire ties it back on itself. On large gauge wire say for battery banks, he will always solder besides crimping on the lug.

Maybe sometimes I'm just lucky....or maybe I'm not as dumb as I look.

AirTool