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  • 01bigair
    • Apr 2009
    • 97

    • Kirkland, WA


    Fuel octane article for those that liike to read

    I found this article over the winter. Intersting and somewhat imformative.
    I have a GT40 and do not know the recommened octane, your thoughts?


    What Grade Do You Give Your Engine?
    By the way, this is no “knock-knock” joke!


    You pull up to the pump and usually have three choices: Regular, Mid-grade and Premium. Are these grades the equivalent of “good, better and best?” Have you ever been tempted to give your car a “treat” and upgrade? Do you really have to feed your high performance car that outrageously priced Premium grade?

    These questions are not “fuelish,” and the answers are based on something called the octane rating of gasoline. The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. This is meaningful when you recall how a four-stroke, gasoline-fueled engine works. One of the strokes is the compression stroke where the engine compresses a cylinder-full of air and gas into a much smaller volume before igniting it with a sparkplug. The amount of compression is called the compression ratio of the engine. A typical engine might have a compression ratio of 8-to-1. High performance engines generally have a higher compression ratio. Higher octane fuel can better tolerate the greater pressures in high compression engines.

    When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the sparkplug, it causes a condition known variously as knocking, pinging or pre-ignition. Knocking generally occurs when climbing steep grades, rapidly accelerating or driving at unusually high altitudes.

    Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like Regular-grade 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting. So, the compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car.

    The gasoline grades have corresponding octane ratings, typically 87 for Regular, 89 for Mid-grade and 91 for Premium with slight variations around the country. Most filling stations sell three grades, but some offer a few more choices between Regular and Premium. Even so, the typical gas station has just two underground storage tanks. Midgrade and other octane ratings are created by blending these two at the pump.

    The basic question we want to answer is, “Should you consider spending the extra money for Premium gas?” The answer is a qualified, “No.” The fact is, for most car and truck engines, Regular grade 87 is fine.

    That’s good news, but what if your owner’s manual recommends Premium grade fuel? The key word is ‘recommends,’ which really means it’s okay to use Regular under most driving conditions. Virtually every expert – even those from oil companies and auto manufacturers – say that using Regular will not harm engines, but you’ll probably not get the ‘advertised’ performance. In other words, you may add a second to the zero-to-60 mph time a reviewer said you should expect from your car. Again, using Regular gas will not damage the modern engines of most of today’s cars.

    Modern engines with advanced computerized engine management systems rapidly adjust their ignition timing at the first indication of knocking. For this reason, using Regular will not void your manufacturer’s warranty unless, in the rare case, your car’s owner’s manual states that Premium grade gasoline is REQUIRED. The owners of high performance engines that require the highest octane are well aware of this fact because high performance was an important factor in choosing their particular cars.

    However, if you own a “classic” car or a vehicle that is 10 years old or older and lacks such stuff as electronic fuel injection, computerized engine management and knock sensors and the owner’s manual specifies Premium grade fuel, DON’T USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PREMIUM! If your vehicle has a supercharger and you drive aggressively, you might also want to use Premium. In this latter scenario, knock sensors cannot sense the condition fast enough because the supercharger boosts pressure too quickly. Of course, if your engine does experience knocking, no matter what vintage or sophistication, feed it the next higher grade of fuel or bring it in for a diagnosis and possibly a tune-up.

    Using Premium grade fuel in a vehicle designed to operate on Regular is a complete waste of money. It won’t add to performance since the engine is not designed to make use of the higher octane. Don’t believe that bunk about Premium gas doing a better job of keeping an engine clean. All grades of gasoline contain detergents and additives intended to promote clean combustion.
  • east tx skier
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Apr 2005
    • 1561

    • Tyler, TX


    #2
    RE: Fuel octane article for those that liike to read

    89 Octane is recommended for the GT-40. Like the article says, it will retard timing to prevent predetonation if it occurs. In that instance, performance is lessened. Whether it is to a noticable degree, I don't know. 89 octane will run you about $3.00 more per tank. I suspect that if the engine is retarding timing, you're fuel efficiency isn't what it would be if that were not happening (again, this is a suspicion). So if that's the case, the $3.00 you save may be offset with lessened fuel economy.

    With all this in mind, I give my engine what is recommended in the manual---89 Octane.
    1998 Ski Nautique (Red/Silver Cloud), GT-40, Perfect Pass Stargazer 8.0z (Zbox), Acme #422, Tunable Rudder.

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    • jhiestand
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Jul 2003
      • 778

      • Columbus, Ohio

      • 08 Super Air 210

      #3
      There should be a spec on top of the engine that I believe says 89 octane is recommended on the GT40. (see pic)

      That being said, when fuel prices went thru the roof I contacted PCM and they informed me it would be no problem using 87 octane in that motor, which is indicative of your article. I'm not making any recommendations, but that was good enough for me to buy 87 on occasion.
      Attached Files
      '08 Super Air Nautique 210

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      • DanielC
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Nov 2005
        • 2669

        • West Linn OR

        • 1997 Ski Nautique

        #4
        Octane number is simply a measure of how fast the fuel-air mixture burns. Higher octane numbers, with everything else being equal, burn slower.
        Higher compression ratios make the fuel-air mixture burn faster, so higher compression engines need a slower burning fuel-air ratio.
        Using a higher than required octane fuel in an engine will reduce the power, and or the economy that the engine is capable of producing.
        At a higher altitude, the octane requirement of an engine goes down, because there is less pressure in the engine.
        My GT-40 has 2118 hours on it, mostly on Arco Mid Grade (89 octane)

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        • DWhitt
          • Apr 2006
          • 140

          • Gainesville, GA

          • 2006 SAN 220 TE Previous Boat: 2002 SAN 210 TE

          #5
          I used 87 octane in my EX330 once. It definitely knocked and I have never tried it again. Just my observation. Maybe I got some bad gas but it's not worth saving a few dollars to me.

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          • 01bigair
            • Apr 2009
            • 97

            • Kirkland, WA


            #6
            Thanks guys, I have been running regular unleaded since I got the boat, didn't even think to look for the rec. octane even after reading the article, I was focussed on my two rigs. I have noticed that I seem to go through gas pretty fast while we are wakeboarding. I will start using 89 and see if I get a few more hours out of each tank.

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            • Flipside
              • Feb 2009
              • 137

              • Portland, OR


              #7
              I have an EX343. The Owners Manual suggests at least 87. The engine management system's knock sensor adjusts for low octane. I use 87 and never notice a change in performance.

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              • tadelfio
                • Oct 2007
                • 172

                • Bullard, Tx


                #8
                My 97 GT-40 Manual stated 89 octane recomended, so I used 89. My new Excaliber's manual states 87 octane recomended, so I use 87.

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                • andronikos916
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 26



                  #9
                  Hello,

                  For the European Nautique owner, there is really no choice. We only have 95 Octane and 100 Octane Gas... So I guess we just wasting money here for no reason.

                  1 Question. Will I see performance increase on a 100 Octane gas? From what I can understand - the answer is NO, cause my engine does not need it...correct me if I am wrong.

                  Thank you,
                  Andron

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                  • east tx skier
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 1561

                    • Tyler, TX


                    #10
                    No performance increase using 100 octane in an engine rated for less.
                    1998 Ski Nautique (Red/Silver Cloud), GT-40, Perfect Pass Stargazer 8.0z (Zbox), Acme #422, Tunable Rudder.

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                    • WakeSlayer
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 2069

                      • Silver Creek, MN

                      • 1968 Mustang

                      #11
                      Andron,

                      A lot of guys on your side of the Atlantic convert their boats to LP. Just a thought.
                      the WakeSlayer
                      1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
                      1968 Correct Craft Mustang

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                      • AirTool
                        1,000 Post Club Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 4049

                        • Katy, Texas


                        #12
                        Originally posted by andronikos916
                        1 Question. Will I see performance increase on a 100 Octane gas? From what I can understand - the answer is NO, cause my engine does not need it...correct me if I am wrong.

                        Thank you,
                        Andron
                        which engine do you have?

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                        • kentsmith12
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 64

                          • Dallas, Texas (Lake Cypress Springs, TX)


                          #13
                          why not use 87 and put an octane boost in and save $$$ and get the highest performance??

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