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  • Red57Bird
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Aug 2007
    • 381

    • Raleigh, NC/Lake Gaston

    • 2003 Super Air

    Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

    I hate to start talking about winterizing now, but unfortunately it is coming sooner rather than later. I know there are a lot of threads about how to winterize but I wanted to get some feedback from some of you guys on my method for draining the engine and adding antifreeze. This is how I did it last year and it is probably a bit "over-the-top" but being the first time I had ever winterized a boat, I took the better safe than sorry route.

    After changing all of the fluids and fogging the cylinders, I drain as much water as I can from the block using the normal drain points (tranny cooler, block plugs, water pump drain, and manifolds). I remove the two hoses from the strainer and use a shop vac to blow air through both hoses to try and get as much water out as possible. I remove the heater hoses from the block and use the shop vac to blow water out of the heater core. I hook the heater hose back up and manually pour antifreeze down the hoses from the strainer. I also manually pour AF in the manifold as well.

    This year I'm considering doing the exact same process, except for the part about manually adding the AF. I've read where several owners remove the hose from the strainer, attach an extension hose, place the end of this hose in a 5-gallon bucket of AF, and run the boat until it empties. I figured I'd need to pour some antifreeze in first to prime the impeller.

    Am I making this harder than it really needs to be? My guess is "yes" but wanted to get your feedback. I'm cautious when it comes to the engine and winterization. My neighbor, who is a mechanic, has a MC 205 and he tried to winterize it himself last year. He ended up with a cracked block and a $5,500 repair bill.
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    2003 Chaparral 220 SSi (sold)
  • MyWakeIsBigger
    • Jan 2009
    • 148

    • Cincinnati


    #2
    RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

    http://planetnautique.com/index.php?...ic&t=15650

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    • WakeSlayer
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Sep 2005
      • 2069

      • Silver Creek, MN

      • 1968 Mustang

      #3
      RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

      You have the right plan. Go with that.
      the WakeSlayer
      1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
      1968 Correct Craft Mustang

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      • SNobsessed
        • Nov 2008
        • 60



        #4
        RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

        Red57 - I agree with Mike (Wakeslayer) the important step is to drain all water 1st. The AF is icing on that cake, just an added layer of protection.

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        • jmo
          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
          • Mar 2006
          • 707

          • MA


          #5
          RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

          Yep this is the way to do it. I fill the exhaust manifolds/block manually (after draining of course) and pour a bunch into the hose leading to the impeller, and then use the bucket trick, this way it shortens how long the engine is running before the cooling system is fully primed with AF. Don't forget the pull the impeller and rinse it off and drain the AF out of the Raw water strainer.
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          • DavidF
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Sep 2004
            • 611

            • Austin, TX


            #6
            RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

            Pour it in manually, no need to run engine. Remove hose from output side of raw water pump, turn it upright and fill from there. Done. Good for you in adding the AF, it will help prevent excessive rust scale buildup in the block.

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            • ClemsonDave
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Oct 2004
              • 659

              • Glen Allen, VA

              • Ski Nautique 200

              #7
              RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

              Never understood why you would drain all the water then add the antifreeze. Several friends of mine just disconnect the intake hose, insert a funnel, run the engine, pour antifreeze (environ. friendly) until it comes out the exhaust. If the antifreeze makes its way all the way through the system, what's the point in draining the water out 1st? You don't need 100% antifreeze in the block for it to prevent freezing.

              Mine only stays winterized for a few days at a time, so I added quick disconnects to the heater hoses. Remove all the plugs and use low air pressure from a compressor to force all the water out of the block.
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              • WakeSlayer
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Sep 2005
                • 2069

                • Silver Creek, MN

                • 1968 Mustang

                #8
                RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

                Dave, that is the difference between your winter and ours.

                It will always hit -30* during the winter at some point here. While the mixture statement is true of auto antifreeze, lots of people use marine/rv antifreeze and you do not want that diluted at all. I think it is just easy insurance. I did not drain my block first for many years, but on those stupid cold nights, I would lose sleep.
                David is correct, also, about the anti-corrosion factor using AF.
                the WakeSlayer
                1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
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                • Red57Bird
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 381

                  • Raleigh, NC/Lake Gaston

                  • 2003 Super Air

                  #9
                  Re: RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

                  Originally posted by jmo
                  Yep this is the way to do it. I fill the exhaust manifolds/block manually (after draining of course) and pour a bunch into the hose leading to the impeller, and then use the bucket trick, this way it shortens how long the engine is running before the cooling system is fully primed with AF. Don't forget the pull the impeller and rinse it off and drain the AF out of the Raw water strainer.
                  Good point about the AF in the strainer I failed to mention. I was told that, over time, the AF can craze and crack the strainer bowl. Since I replace the impeller each year, I leave it in over the winter and replace it as part of the summerization process. What I may do this year (if I do the AF manually) is pull the impeller prior to doing the AF, replace with a new one in the Spring, and keep the previous impeller as a spare.

                  Lots of ways to do this stuff, but it is always good to hear what other owners are doing. Thanks everyone for the opinions and feedback.
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                  2003 Chaparral 220 SSi (sold)

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                  • TRBenj
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • May 2005
                    • 1681

                    • NWCT


                    #10
                    Re: RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

                    Originally posted by ClemsonDave
                    Never understood why you would drain all the water then add the antifreeze. Several friends of mine just disconnect the intake hose, insert a funnel, run the engine, pour antifreeze (environ. friendly) until it comes out the exhaust. If the antifreeze makes its way all the way through the system, what's the point in draining the water out 1st? You don't need 100% antifreeze in the block for it to prevent freezing.
                    When you dont drain the water first, how do you know what concentration of A/F is in the block? 50%? 100%? 0%? Just because it makes its way out the exhaust doesnt mean that any made it into the block- and if it did, theres no way to verify how much. You could have little to no freeze protection. Maybe you'll be ok if it only sits for a few days at 25-30deg F... but I sure wouldnt trust it much past that.

                    I know people who ski until the lake freezes over. They drain the block and manifolds after each use as a precaution. They only backfill with A/F once theyre done for the year. Thats the most logical (and safest) way to do it, IMHO.
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                    • WakeSlayer
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 2069

                      • Silver Creek, MN

                      • 1968 Mustang

                      #11
                      RE: Re: RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

                      Agree 100% with Tim above. Better safe than sorry.
                      the WakeSlayer
                      1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
                      1968 Correct Craft Mustang

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                      • Roddyj
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 66



                        #12
                        RE: Re: RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

                        dang, winterizimg in nc already? u can easily ski thru mid november here man. well i guess the boat may be at lkg

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                        • Red57Bird
                          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 381

                          • Raleigh, NC/Lake Gaston

                          • 2003 Super Air

                          #13
                          Re: RE: Re: RE: Question on Winterization and Antifreeze

                          Originally posted by Roddyj
                          dang, winterizimg in nc already? u can easily ski thru mid november here man. well i guess the boat may be at lkg
                          You are correct - boat is at LKG. We will ride/surf up until the first weekend in November, then I'll winterize the boat then. I wanted to go ahead and get this kind of info up front so I'm not scrambling at the last minute.
                          2003 SAN (current)
                          2003 Chaparral 220 SSi (sold)

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                          • jmo
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 707

                            • MA


                            #14
                            I run the engine to cycle AF after manually filling the block to make sure every nook and cranny are covered, from the transmission cooler, to the heater, etc. This also will flush out any little bit of water that is left after draining. Is it overkill, maybe, but this way I have peace of mind on nights where its drops to single digits outside.
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                            - 2006 Ski Nautique 196 LE, Excalibur 330
                            - 2001 Super Sport Nautique, GT40

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                            • ponycar
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 52

                              • Dallas, TX

                              • 2005 196

                              #15
                              Does anyone have a picture of the location of the transmission cooler plug? Thanks
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