Changing impeller on ZR6 engine with serpentine belt.

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  • jaybird
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Oct 2008
    • 516

    • North Alabama Lake Weiss


    Changing impeller on ZR6 engine with serpentine belt.

    My new boat has ZR-409, which has the same impeller mounting as the ZR-6. On all my past boat with the 5.6 V-belt driven pump it was easier to remove the pump completely to change the impeller. Is this still the case with the ZR-6 pump driven by the serpentine belt? Boat is a 230 V-drive so its a bit akward to get to, unlike a direct drive.
    Last edited by jaybird; 01-30-2010, 07:15 PM.
    2012 Team Ski Nautique ZR409
    2011 Sport Nautique 200
    2008 SANT 230
    2003 Air Nautique 226
    1988 Martinique
    1979 Nautique
    1978 Tique
    1976 Tique (First New Boat)
  • AirTool
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Sep 2007
    • 4049

    • Katy, Texas


    #2
    I hadn't done it in a v-drive, and I'm sure it is tight. The front comes off easily. Find the pic I have posted that shows how the cover bolts are accessed through the pulley. I can't easily find it on the new site.

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    • NautiqueJeff
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      • Mar 2002
      • 16454
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      #3
      You mean this picture?
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      • AirTool
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 4049

        • Katy, Texas


        #4
        Originally posted by NautiqueJeff View Post
        You mean this picture?
        That's the one.

        My PN navigation skills have regressed for some reason. (wink)

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        • jaybird
          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
          • Oct 2008
          • 516

          • North Alabama Lake Weiss


          #5
          I know about the three bolts to remove the impeller, but is it easier to take the entire pump off with the two mounting bolts and replace the impeller on a bench? Its tought on a v-drive to see whats your doing.
          2012 Team Ski Nautique ZR409
          2011 Sport Nautique 200
          2008 SANT 230
          2003 Air Nautique 226
          1988 Martinique
          1979 Nautique
          1978 Tique
          1976 Tique (First New Boat)

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          • TW
            • Sep 2008
            • 18



            #6
            Although I've never removed the entire pump (PCM block mounted pump) to R&R an impeller I definitely agree changing an impeller on a v is more of a pain than dd. This week I removed the pumps off of two 6.0 engines (customers are putting them in cars so didn't need the raw water stuff) and once the paint seal breaks the two bolts remove quite easily. So, the 1st time you remove the pump it might be a pain but the 2nd time not so much. Might be worth a try and decide for yourself if it is worth it.

            However, to get to the 2 mounting bolts I find it easier to remove the front housing w/impeller. Since you've already got it out to get to the bolts I suspect it is easier to just go ahead and change it without removing the pump. Let us know what you decide works best.

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            • jaybird
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Oct 2008
              • 516

              • North Alabama Lake Weiss


              #7
              I will let you know.....
              2012 Team Ski Nautique ZR409
              2011 Sport Nautique 200
              2008 SANT 230
              2003 Air Nautique 226
              1988 Martinique
              1979 Nautique
              1978 Tique
              1976 Tique (First New Boat)

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              • IDSkier
                • Sep 2005
                • 31

                • Pocatello, ID


                #8
                It's much easier to remove just the impeller than the entire pump. You can access the 3 bolts for the front housing through the holes in the drive pulley. These bolts ( I believe they are 5/16") are retained to the housing by o-rings, so you don't have to worry about dropping them into the bilge. Even an impeller switch on a PCM v-drive shouldn't take more than a few minutes.

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                • AirTool
                  1,000 Post Club Member
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 4049

                  • Katy, Texas


                  #9
                  Originally posted by IDSkier View Post
                  It's much easier to remove just the impeller than the entire pump. You can access the 3 bolts for the front housing through the holes in the drive pulley. These bolts ( I believe they are 5/16") are retained to the housing by o-rings, so you don't have to worry about dropping them into the bilge. Even an impeller switch on a PCM v-drive shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
                  Socket size should be 10 mm.

                  Jaybird - I just don't see how it would be easier to remove the pump. It might be easier to take the pulley off first if you have trouble seeing that bottom cover bolt w/ the pulley on.

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                  • jaybird
                    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 516

                    • North Alabama Lake Weiss


                    #10
                    Thx AirTool,

                    I have changed the impeller on the old style belt driven countless times and it was just always best just to remove the pump, espically on the 226 with a PCM Excal 330, where only a contortionist can to get to the pump. Just got the 230 with the ZR-409 and getting ready for spring.

                    Thanks for the advice
                    Last edited by jaybird; 01-31-2010, 10:54 AM.
                    2012 Team Ski Nautique ZR409
                    2011 Sport Nautique 200
                    2008 SANT 230
                    2003 Air Nautique 226
                    1988 Martinique
                    1979 Nautique
                    1978 Tique
                    1976 Tique (First New Boat)

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                    • teamseal
                      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 381

                      • Panama city, Florida.

                      • 2009 196 ZR-6

                      #11
                      Not a bg deal.
                      Tools needed:
                      1/4" drive ratchet
                      3" extension
                      10mm socket
                      Take serp belt off, loosen three bolt thru water pump belt pully Note: their are o-rings on the inside of bolt housing so do not completly remove bolts from outer pump.
                      pull entire assy away from pump housing. Note: their are indicators on the top that say TOP!
                      Remove old impeller from housing, install new impeller on shaft of pump re-install into housing in correct allignment , re attach bolts thru pully assy, tighten bolts to about 15ft pounds (hand tight)
                      Re-install serp belt.
                      I have done this procedurs on V-drives in less than 5 min without rempoving entire pump....

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                      • jaybird
                        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 516

                        • North Alabama Lake Weiss


                        #12
                        Thanks,

                        Perfect, alwasy nice to be prepared...
                        2012 Team Ski Nautique ZR409
                        2011 Sport Nautique 200
                        2008 SANT 230
                        2003 Air Nautique 226
                        1988 Martinique
                        1979 Nautique
                        1978 Tique
                        1976 Tique (First New Boat)

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                        • EchoLodge
                          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 616

                          • Huntington Beach, CA

                          • 99 Super Sport

                          #13
                          Looking to change the impeller on friends's 2008 236. Is it possible to just remove the belt from the pump so as not to have to figure out the maze of turns to put the entire belt back on?
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                          • rivergirlz
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 6

                            • Echo Lodge, Parker Strip

                            • 07' 236

                            #14
                            Originally posted by EchoLodge View Post
                            Looking to change the impeller on friends's 2008 236. Is it possible to just remove the belt from the pump so as not to have to figure out the maze of turns to put the entire belt back on?
                            2007

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                            • AirTool
                              1,000 Post Club Member
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 4049

                              • Katy, Texas


                              #15
                              Originally posted by EchoLodge View Post
                              Looking to change the impeller on friends's 2008 236. Is it possible to just remove the belt from the pump so as not to have to figure out the maze of turns to put the entire belt back on?
                              yes

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