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  • Searay
    • Sep 2003
    • 51

    • Northeastern PA


    Fuel issues with 1996 GT40

    Hi everyone,

    Last week during vacation my boat stopped running correctly. It was running perfectly all summer and last week as we skied (new tank of gas before we got there) for about an hour or so. Then after sitting in the water for an hour, after starting it idles very rough and stalls. After restarting, it would stay idling (rough) but would not accelerate. It wanted to backfire and surge just a little as soon as you pushed the trottle forward. At this point I added some dry gas and let it set overnight. The next day I had the same problem. I did find that I could get the boat on plane by pushing the throttle lever back and forth continuously. The small surges over time would accelerate the boat enough to get on plane and I could maintain only 32 MPH with the throttle held wide open. I ran up and down the lake a few times hoping it would clear up but no luck.

    When I got home I checked the PN forums for ideas. Here is what I have done so far. When turning on the key, I can hear the low pressure pump cycle. I unplugged the power from this pump to see if I could hear the high pressure pump cycle, which I could. At this point I decide to remover the FCC and look at the filter. What a bear. I removed it from the boat and put it in a vise (using the bolts in the top with a pry bar procedure) and proceeded to start to bent the bolts! Plus my vise was a little small for the job and it was slipping some. I then removed the low pressure pump and checked the removable screen in the top, not much there. I could see another screen down inside but couldn't figure out how to get to that one. I reinstalled the FCC at this point and went to Auto Zone where they will LEND you a fuel pressure kit complete with everything you need. (should have done this first) I removed the fuel return line from the FCC and attached the gauge to the FCC return fitting. I turned the key on and I got about 5 to 6 pounds. This seemed normal from what I have read. I then checked the pressure at the schrader valve on the rail from the high pressure pump and got nothing. So it seems the FCC needs to come off again. Great.

    Questions. One...I understand there is a fuel regulator in the FCC and if it is plugged it could send fuel back to the tank instead of the rails. Would I have seen high pressure at the return line if the high pressure pump was working correctly but the regulator wasn't? Two....not finding much in the low pressure pump fine screen leads me to believe that the filter in the FCC probably isn't plugged to the point of starving it for gas. And I would think that problem probably would have gotten worse over a period of time and not suddenly all at once. Three....if the pump runs, but doesn't pressurize the rails, can the pump just go bad all of a sudden?

    No shop around here can get it in to look at it so I guess I'm on my own. So far I don't know what parts I am going to need and I'll probably have to order them. I think my next step is to get a bigger vise and some stronger bolts to get the FCC open. Can someone give me some direction from there? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
  • swooddc
    • Oct 2006
    • 147

    • Gardendale, AL


    #2
    ok, big pipe wrench to get FCC off, I did mine with it attached to the boat. it was a bear but came off. the high pressure pump sits inside the filter. it is connected by a little rubber hose, these can split, PCM has a kit to replace this. if the hose is fine, and the pump is cycling it has probable gone bad.
    someone else will probably chime in, mine did something like what your describing and it was the filter.

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    • Searay
      • Sep 2003
      • 51

      • Northeastern PA


      #3
      Thanks swooddc, I'll see if my buddy has a bigger wrench....

      I decide to check one more thing before I removed the FCC. I hooked my water intake up to a 5 gallon pail of water and ran it on trailer to see what I got at the schrader valve on the rail with it running. Sitting with the key on I still got nothing. After I started the engine I started to get some pressure. It took about 9 or10 seconds at a rough idle to get to 20 pounds and then it stayed there. I accelerated the engine to 2200 rpms (it back fired a little) and the pressure never waived from the 20 pounds. I tested this twice with the same result.

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      • east tx skier
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Apr 2005
        • 1561

        • Tyler, TX


        #4
        I had some fuel delivery issues last year. Antisiphon valve on top of the fuel tank connected to the fuel line was the culprit. $11 to replace. The little ball in there can get gummed up after a while. Mine couldn't be stroked into staying under power like you describe at 32 mph. It would start, idle, and then you'd give it the gas and it would stop. Wait, restart, same thing.
        1998 Ski Nautique (Red/Silver Cloud), GT-40, Perfect Pass Stargazer 8.0z (Zbox), Acme #422, Tunable Rudder.

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        • DanielC
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 2669

          • West Linn OR

          • 1997 Ski Nautique

          #5
          The fuel pressure regulator is not inside the FCC. It is on the fuel rail, and has a vacuum hose hooked to it.

          You had good pressure into the FCC, from the low pressure pump. How was the flow? You should get over a quart every 15 seconds.

          The only job of the low pressure pump is to keep the FCC full of gas.

          It sounds to me like you have a problem with either the regulator, the high pressure pump, or the high pressure pump hose inside the FCC.

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          • Searay
            • Sep 2003
            • 51

            • Northeastern PA


            #6
            DanielC

            I will check the flow from the FCC tomorrow morning. (It's 9:20 PM here now) But it seems the low pressure pump is working OK. With the FCC empty, and the low pressure pump empty, I only cycled the the pumps with the key about 3 or 4 times before trying to start the engine and it started right up. So it seemed to draw and fill pretty quickly.

            Is there a way to test the regulator on the rail? If it plugged/failed would it then sent higher pressure fuel back to the tank if the high pressure pump is working correctly? I'm not sure if there is a way to test this)

            When I get the FCC apart I will check for a bad hose.

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            • Searay
              • Sep 2003
              • 51

              • Northeastern PA


              #7
              I checked the flow

              from the FCC back to the tank and I am getting about a quart of gas in 15 seconds from the low pressure pump. So everything seems OK there. Next I have to try to get the FCC open and check the high pressure pump hose.

              Is there a way to test the fuel pump regulator in the rail? Or a way to test the high pressure pump once I get the FCC open?

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              • Searay
                • Sep 2003
                • 51

                • Northeastern PA


                #8
                Found it!

                I removed the FCC canister using a very large pair of channel locks. I then removed the black rubber hose running from the high pressure pump to the rail fuel line fitting. I found a split in the hose about 1/4" long.

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                • swooddc
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 147

                  • Gardendale, AL


                  #9
                  sounds like you got it....

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                  • Searay
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 51

                    • Northeastern PA


                    #10
                    Now I probably have to order a hose

                    from the dealer that's a few hours away. It looks like a special hose. I wonder if anyone has used any different hose? After replacing I'll grease the threads on the canister (like some have suggested) before putting it back on.

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                    • Searay
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 51

                      • Northeastern PA


                      #11
                      Does anyone know

                      of a dealer that might have this hose in stock? Thanks.

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                      • swooddc
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 147

                        • Gardendale, AL


                        #12
                        call white lake, site sponsor and quickest shipping i have ever dealt with.

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                        • JayG80
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 206

                          • Santa Fe, TX

                          • 2007 Ski Nautique Sold 2002 Ski Nautique

                          #13
                          I just took the old fuel hose to a Auto Parts store, they matched the size and sold it by the foot. Now I have spares in my tool box to replace with the next filter change.

                          I was not aware it different than standard fuel hose. Did I make a mistake? Running fine for the 2 months since the repair.

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                          • Searay
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 51

                            • Northeastern PA


                            #14
                            Jay, if you did, then

                            so did I. When calling around to PCM dealers this morning, one service guy said that they have been replacing the original hose with fuel line in the FCC for years without any problems. They were using the gray marine fuel line. I had though it was a specially formed hose (with an offset in it) but the one I took out had just formed to that shape over the years. I put the hose on this morning and tried it out and I'm back in business. The hose I put in wasn't the gray marine type (got it at Autozone) so I thought about putting a small piece of the new line in a sealed jar of gasoline and observing it over time to see if any deteriation occurs on the outside of the hose. The inside of the hose is lined with a blue teflon type material.

                            Thanks for the heads up on White Lake. I will use them for parts in the future. Are their shipping prices reasonable?

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                            • SBRS
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 63

                              • Rancho Cordova, Ca.

                              • 2012 Ski Nautique 200 CB (current boat) 2013 Ski N

                              #15
                              Get the hose & clamps from your local dealer. You should also replace the FCC filter and o-ring since you have it apart.

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