Anybody used this to winterize?

[countiemountie]

With all the debate that I've been reading about fogging or not to fog, anyone ever tried this product?

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...splayErrorView

[DanielC]

That is fuel stabilizer, not fogging oil.
This is the fuel stabilizer I use.

[DanielC]

Now, getting back to the fogging oil question.
Anytime a V-8 engine is stopped, five or six cylinders have one, or both valves at least partially open. This allows air to go in and out of the cylinders as the temperature changes. There is a possibility of some condensation forming on the inside of the cylinder walls during the winter storage, and because the engine is not being ran, for a long period of time, any residual oil slowly runs off the cylinder walls. That makes it possible for the water to contact the cylinder walls, and cause rust.
Fogging oils have a high content of wax in them, and after the solvents, or carriers evaporate, they stay where they are. This protects the cylinder walls from rust.

I recommend using both the fuel stabilizer, at twice the normal amount, (4oz stabilizer, in five gallons of fuel) and fogging the engine, through the spark plug holes for winter lay up.
My 1997 Ski Nautique has 2308 hours on it, and still runs very good.

[countiemountie]

Now, getting back to the fogging oil question.
Anytime a V-8 engine is stopped, five or six cylinders have one, or both valves at least partially open. This allows air to go in and out of the cylinders as the temperature changes. There is a possibility of some condensation forming on the inside of the cylinder walls during the winter storage, and because the engine is not being ran, for a long period of time, any residual oil slowly runs off the cylinder walls. That makes it possible for the water to contact the cylinder walls, and cause rust.
Fogging oils have a high content of wax in them, and after the solvents, or carriers evaporate, they stay where they are. This protects the cylinder walls from rust.

I recommend using both the fuel stabilizer, at twice the normal amount, (4oz stabilizer, in five gallons of fuel) and fogging the engine, through the spark plug holes for winter lay up.
My 1997 Ski Nautique has 2308 hours on it, and still runs very good.

The info on the product states that it can be used to not only stabilize the gas, but will take the place of fogging the engine as well.

Any concern about vapor lock when using F/O ? I assume u pull all the plugs out at once, reinstall and roll the engine over (no start).

How tight do you tighten down the plugs?

How much oil do you put in each hole?

[ffmedic74]

I fog down the injector and pull out all the plugs, fog the cylinders, and rotate the engine by hand 2-3 revolutions.

[DanielC]

My concern is that if you mix the combo fuel stabilizer/fogging oil product with gas in any kind of a normal ratio, so little oil actually will get to the cylinders, and what oil does get there in any kind of an excess, will be burned off.

By vapor lock, do you mean hydraulic locking the engine, when you put the plugs back in? You would have to put 50 to 100 CC of oil in the cylinders for that to happen. By turning the engine, with the spark plugs out, that much oil would run out of the spark plug holes.

My service manual says to tighten the spark plugs to 11 foot pounds of torque.

I use an aerosol fogging oil. I squirt about 3 to 4 seconds of oil in each hole, turn the engine by hand more than two complete revolutions, and then a short less than 1 second squirt. Then put the spark plugs back in. the next Spring, when you start your boat, you should see a brief cloud of oil smoke come out the exhaust. When using an aerosol spray can, be careful the tube on the nozzle of the spray can does not come off, and go onto the spark plug hole. Do not ask how I know this.

ffmedic74, I assume you have throttle body injection? Removing the injectors on a multiport engine would involve removing the upper intake manifold, and a lot of other stuff. You do not want fogging oil to get into the sensors and other devices attached to the intake manifold on a fuel injected engine. Spray fogging oil into the spark plug holes only.

[ffmedic74]

Correct, I do have the throttle body injection.

[eldercaddy]

With all the debate that I've been reading about fogging or not to fog, anyone ever tried this product?

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...splayErrorView

I have been using that for long time. And its not humiliated me. Very good.

[countiemountie]

I have been using that for long time. And its not humiliated me. Very good.

I bought some last week last week to try when I winterize next season.

[DanielC]

The west marine product mentioned in the beginning of this thread is not going to work as a fogging oil, because the amount that gets into the engines cylinders is so small, and even if any oil or wax was in the product, the running engine would just burn it.

If you think you are going to protecting your engine's cylinder walls by running some sort of an oil in the gas, just go get some two stroke oil, and premix it. I do not recommend you do this, but it would be more effective than using the west marine stuff.

PCM has a recommended way to fog an engine. Follow that, they are more concerned with their reputation as a engine company. West Marine just wants to sell you a product that in my opinion is useless.

The price they are charging for a quart of that stuff, you can get a quart of Sta-Bil, enough for 40 gallons of fuel at 2x the normal amount, and some fogging oil, to properly protect your engine cylinder walls