2001 SAN Transmission Failure/Need it re-built

[n2sandcars]

Just bought a 2001 Nautique, the former owner dicussed the Transmission was slipping. Sure enough he was right. Now the boat is stuck in forward, starts in gear and shift into reverse the boat goes forward.

I was told by a mechanic that the clutch discs warped and though I was lucky the the boat is stuck in forward.

Any advice out there for repairing this or where to send the tranny for rebuilt? Has anyone experienced this with a Super Air ? Are there tranny disc upgrades so that I don't have this problem again?

I hope this post is informative for those who have a Tranny that is slipping. Do not pull a skier!!! I lost reverse just after pulling a skier. To my surprise the boat went forward when I tried the reverse. It scared the S#*t out of me! I was lucky I did not run over the skier. So be for warned!

[Scoobie2]

I had this same situation happen to me today. Mine is 2002 SANTE with PCM. Starts in gear, accelerates normally however when putting in reverse, boat goes forward. Is the possibility of the clutch discs being warped make sense?

[nukemustang]

Im not sure what transmission is in the boat now, but looking at http://www.skidim.com/PCM-40-I-11-Pa...products/1103/ a brand new one is about $1800.


http://www.nautiqueparts.com/engine_parts.aspx for parts like clutch packs and gaskets, again, not 100% sure what transmission is in the SAN. then they list "CALL US FOR PRICE OF COMPLETE, NEW TRANSMISSION"

I wonder if it would be worth all the trouble to pull out the old one, replace parts, reinstall, realign motor/trans/v-drive/shaft and then have additional issues and down time/loss of use later due to having to repeat the process.

[azeus17]

Head over to correctcraftfan.com. There is a guy named Eric that rebuilds transmissions. Not sure how active he is on the site anymore, mainly because I am not that active on that site anymore. I bet it is substantially less than $1800, to rebuild, though. Maybe you could find a local shop as well. I don't think these trans are overly complicated.

[01sport]

Head over to correctcraftfan.com. There is a guy named Eric that rebuilds transmissions. Not sure how active he is on the site anymore, mainly because I am not that active on that site anymore. I bet it is substantially less than $1800, to rebuild, though. Maybe you could find a local shop as well. I don't think these trans are overly complicated.

+1 much cheaper and excellent work. Eric Lavene.. I believe the company is Fantastic finishes

[nukemustang]

I am sorry if my comment was taken as just to replace it. I was merely point out if shouldn't be a "super" expensive proposition, given a brand new one worst case is $1800.

Clutch packs look to be about $250, oils and seals maybe another $100-150, the labor is where I think it could get expensive in pulling it, repairing and replacing it. If you can pull it and replace it, that would save a lot of money on the labor side. The only thing I haven't done and would be semi-worried about would be the alignment.

[Scoobie2]

Thanks for all the info, very helpful! I have an email out to the people at Fantastic Finish (Vince Ziegler who I understand took over the business from Eric Lavene) and am looking to get a ballpark quote for the rebuild. Nukemustang, I looked at your link to the replacement transmissions, which was the right link BTW as mine is the 40i, and in discussion with others the price is still a very viable and reasonable solution.

I too am a bit worried about alignment. Since I haven't remove it yet, would taking a ton of measurements and pictures be a solution or is it more accurate to expect the alignment is a product of the sum of all the parts?

[Quinner]

Alignment is not that difficult if all your mounts are not rusted out and easy to move/adjust. Soaking them all in PB beforehand will help if they need to be adjusted. There is a good thread and video on alignment on CCFan. Think of it like leveling an appliance, 4 feet which go up/dn as necessary plus a fore and aft adjustment, until the coupler faces are dead even (per tolerance). Watch the video before disassembly and check with Vince on anything you may want to do, like marking the coupler to coupler position, etc.
Good Luck

[azeus17]

Yeah, not to bad. If you have a little patience and can turn a wrench, I feel this can be done by anyone with basic knowledge. Here is a link to a current thread on CCF that shows the removal and also has links to Eric's alignment process and a video I believe.

http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/for...ission-removal

[Scoobie2]

Thanks for the help and links. I have reviewed it all, discussed with Fantastic Finish and the fastest and most reliable method is to buy the new one with skidim as the net difference is only a few hundred dollars. The PCM 40i has been replaced by the 80i in an effort to address the "heavily weighted boats" which really sounds familiar. The videos and threads for removal and alignment all seem quite simple and logical and work will start when the parts are received. Thanks again for all the assistance!

[nukemustang]

I would double check with White Lake (nautiqueparts) as we do get a 10% discount for being a PN member. I know the website just say call, but if they are $1800, with a discount it should be $1620. I would also verify it is the correct rotation. I see the 80i listed on skidim is for left hand rotation engines, but I don't know where it would be reversed to a RH prop rotation (i.e. pre 2006/7 boats depending on the swap over) it would pain me to order the incorrect "version" for the rotation needed.

[gary s]

Good idea to check but right hand rotation engines have not been used in Correct Crafts for years now and being an '01 the chance would be slim to none.

[nukemustang]

Just checking. I could not remember if it was a ford/chevy thing (i.e. GT40 then Excalibur) or if it was tied to the prop rotation (reversed in the v-drive unit?), but would hate for him to lose another week or two of boating buy clicking my link and not double checking :-)

[alexbailey228]

I just bought my 2002 sante and it is doing the same thing. I put about 12 hours on it this weekend and it makes a horrible screeching sound going into gear and at about 2000 rpm. Under throttle going into a turn the transmission would slip pretty bad. The previous owner did a lot of wakesurfing with it and had it sacked up all the time. I am sure that takes a toll on these boats. So now I am trying to figure out what my options are. I was thinking about having race city marine look at it but I am trying to save on cost. I also want to fix it as fast as possible so I don't lose any time on the water.

[Scoobie2]

Alex, your options should include a second opinion. Nothing wrong with verifying with a dealer and getting a quote for repairs. Know that a new transmission will set you back $1770 at Skidim.com less a 10% first time user discount if you ask or $2160 if I recall correctly with Nautiqueparts less the planetnautique discount. A professional rebuild with Fantastic Finish will set you back $950. The rebuild includes; all new clutches, steels, seals, gaskets, etc. but prior to completing the rebuild, all mechanical parts are inspected for damage and if any exist, they will quote out for what needs fixed and pricing. Vince can be reached at fantasticfinishesohio@gmail.com. You'd have to ship both ways for repairs and was a consideration for me, as well as the unknown potential other problems within the transmission. The new transmission in suppose to be stronger with better cooling so when you get to the point of sacking up like the PO, and you will, you will have at least the transmission covered.

Just make sure you don't dunk the stupid gas tank vent on the port side under the water. That is a pain.