Auxillary keypad buttons

[hyparks]

Hi all. I recently made a keypad bypass to put the ignition on and start the boat.
This works great except I can't get the buttons now on the auxillary keypad to work.
If I use the code keypad to put the ignition on the buttons do work so I know the aux keypad is fine.
I must be missing something somewhere?
Does anyone know which wires etc bring on the aux keypad.
Just putting voltage to the aux keypad doesn't make it work so I'm thinking I may need to bring the breaker box on or something?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

[vanislwake]

I don't think it's as easy as finding a wire from my understanding the keypad communicates with the PCM box via voltage resistance of some sort, hence the reason there's only like 4 wires going to it yet it runs a dozen functions.

However i have been watching your threads and an anxious to see if you figure this out, if you do it will be great although IMO spending the 400$ for a new keypad is the obvious solution but having the start and run bypass for emergency situations is of course very very handy and smart. I can "Hotwire" these or any boat for that matter directly off the main engine harness plug but of course not everyone's would be capable of that

[hyparks]

I thought that to be honest but was kind of hoping it wasn't the case. My number 2 button stopped working but I played Round with it and managed to get it working again. My bypass is great for getting you out of trouble. I just like everything to work hence why I'm trying to get the aux keypad working when using the bypass.
Thought it may be possible as not all boats code keypads.
Do all boats have the aux keypad or were they just switches?
Thanks for your input.

[hyparks]

Don't believe my luck now. Gone out to the boat today and it appears my keypad is now suddenly not working at all. The small lamp on the left of the start button is on very dim and nothing happens now when you press any button.
I would just buy a new keypad but could it be the breaker box or something else causing it to malfunction. Don't want to spend all that money on a new pad if its something else!

[vanislwake]

To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the aux start button you installed could possibly have something to do with your keypad possibly shorting out, the whole keypad/pme box is not a typical electrical system normal people should be tampering with so to speak. I had a 2000 air that I got from auction that had a non functional keypad, in the end it was the pme box, I was lucky the dealer refunded me for the keypad I initially bought and sent me out a new pme box. FYI the keypass code is stored inside the pme box not the keypad on all 00-02 nautiques, it is my understanding 03 up the code was within the keypad itself.

All nautiques with the code pad start function had the auxiliary keypad for accessories as well, they offered a key start typically in a Limited edition boat and they used regular switches for all accessories and had no keypads at all.

IMO the emergency start option should solely be used for emergency situations like stranded in middle of lake and I would prefer it to be done by unplugging the main engine harness found on the lower side of engine typically there's only 3 wires needed to start that boat every mechanic will have a key ignition that plugs directly in to that harness when they unplug the dash end they do that when troubleshooting the engine that way they know it's just them and the motor and eliminates the possibility of dash related electrical issues

[hyparks]

It could be my switch and button that's done it although the code pad was working the other day and hadn't even touched my new switch etc.
When your box was no good was your pad doing anything? E.g lamp coming on when buttons pressed? Mines not doing anything at all.

I have checked the red and black wire going to the pad and have 12v accross them. So the pad has power.

Taking my pad to the dealers Wednesday to try my pad in another boat.

[2Tuff]

I installed an emergency key to my boat 2 years ago. I knew my keypad was going out, and had already bypassed the keypad for the rear hatch lift (I have a 2000 SAN with the one piece sundeck). On what turned out to be my last trip out for the season, I pulled up to retrieve a downed rider and pushed "stop" on the keypad and nothing happened. I then tried all the other buttons and no response from any of them. We ended up putting the boat on the trailer and I pulled the safety lanyard to shut it off. At that point, had I been out on the water I would have been screwed. So, that winter I installed my emergency key to winterize the boat, and since the new key only fired the engine, no accessories, I ordered a new keypad. Everything has been working fine since then, and the backup system is still installed. So as long as you installed your backup switch right, I don't think that's your problem. I'm guessing the new keypad will cure your boat and all will be good.

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[hyparks]

I installed an emergency key to my boat 2 years ago. I knew my keypad was going out, and had already bypassed the keypad for the rear hatch lift (I have a 2000 SAN with the one piece sundeck). On what turned out to be my last trip out for the season, I pulled up to retrieve a downed rider and pushed "stop" on the keypad and nothing happened. I then tried all the other buttons and no response from any of them. We ended up putting the boat on the trailer and I pulled the safety lanyard to shut it off. At that point, had I been out on the water I would have been screwed. So, that winter I installed my emergency key to winterize the boat, and since the new key only fired the engine, no accessories, I ordered a new keypad. Everything has been working fine since then, and the backup system is still installed. So as long as you installed your backup switch right, I don't think that's your problem. I'm guessing the new keypad will cure your boat and all will be good.

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Thanks for the info . My pad did the same as yours last year. I left boat at the dock overnight and it rained pretty bad. Next morning it started fine but once on trailer I had to pull the lanyard. Then no buttons at all worked. Once dry it was ok again but not been right since really. Playing up now and again.
Now its completely dead again. I had cleaned the boat out a few days ago so also thought it could have got wet again but have dried it out and still no good.

Hopefully is just the pad and not the box!

[hyparks]

Keypads working again now so putting it down to getting wet whilst cleaning. Got the same issue with my other keypad now too.
Obviously I havnt been able to use this keypad as the other one wasn't working. Il Try and dry this one out as best I can and see what happens.

[vanislwake]

Hey when my pme box went bad my keypad still lit up when i pushed buttons, it basically just refused the code even the master code.

Both keypads are fully waterproof or at least they should be unless someone has tampered with them! They are completely sealed with an epoxy you have to grind the epoxy down just to get at the screws to take the plastic trim pieces off. The pme box is water resistant so to speak it is not sealed off as good as the pads so they are more likely harmed by water/ moisture than the keypads.


Here's a question for you next time your keypad is acting up check to see if your blower turns on, if it doesn't I'd lean towards keypad, I only say this because in my case the blower still worked when my pme box was bad.

Unplug the keypads and inspect the connections if you haven't already .

[hyparks]

Thanks. Blower wouldn't work. Didn't matter which button I pressed on the keypad - nothing happened. No lamps lit nor blower, horn etc. Now its working again so will see what happens.
Not had chance to do anything with other pad yet other than bring it in the house to try and dry it out.

[vanislwake]

What do u mean dry it out? Like I mentioned they are totally sealed waterproof, if you start having problems with the accessories keypad I'd really look on to the pme box hard to think both pads would go at same time

[hyparks]

Well put it this way. Both keypads have now been put ontop of a towel and left on top of a radiator in my house for couple if hours and are now working again.
I know they are sealed but I don't think they are sealed that good.
I know for a fact these pads got wet when it was cleaned and I know the pme box didnt. They were both working fine the day before it was cleaned and then not the day after.
You said when your pme box went bad your keypad still lit up etc. Mine would not do anything at all.
I do not have an issue with replacing the pme box if required but at the moment it doesn't look like its needed.
Thanks

[hyparks]

Check out my keypad bypass thread in the DIY section.

[junglejim]

Oh, ok, thank you.

Jim