Faria conversion signal wire question... 2000 SAN

[SoldTheBayliner]

OK, I've swapped in the new gauges. My boat is a 2000 SAN, it does not have PP, but it does have "correct craft cruse by perfect pass"... this uses a jumper wire that attaches to the tach signal wire, and it just operates off of RPM, so there's no other connection with the gauges (except I was surprised to see that it grounds and gets power from the oil pressure gauge or some other random gauge... anyway, my question:

I don't want to drill a hole in the bottom of my boat and install the paddlewheel, because I'm scared. I know it's not a huge deal, but I'd like to avoid it. Not having PP, the boat does not have a paddlewheel. It has those 'pitot tube' pickups on the transom below the swim deck. There are two of them. I'm wondering if the signal wire (or wires?) from those will power the Faria MPH gauge. There are a few unused wires from the old harness going to the digital gauge, and I'm assuming one or two of them are the signal wires... does anyone know if I can hook those up to the new gague and avoid drilling? If so, which wires?

Also, the Faria instructions refer to the "IGN" terminal on the back of the gauges... there is no "IGN" terminal, but there is a "BAT" terminal. I'm assuming these are the same, but just for peace of mind... same thing?

[crobi2]

If you got the gauges from White Lake, just give them a call and they'll help you through it.

If you've got a few hundred extra to spend, you might consider the Stargazer upgrade for your perfect pass. You will have to tell them what you've got and see if you can use your old display (probably not). With the GPS stargazer, you won't have to drill a hole in your boat and you get a GPS speedometer with it.

The pitot tubes go to a box on the transom by the muffler that converts the pressure signal to an electrical signal that the old gauges used for speed. Perhaps the faria gauge can use that same signal.

My boats PO had already installed stargazer and tossed the old speedo. I can't read the old tach, but I just get my speed and RPM from the perfect pass.

Hopefully, someone who has done the conversion will chime in soon.

[2000SNOB]

I did the conversion on mine a few years back, and from what I was told when calling around and checking online you have to go with the paddle wheel. The pitot tubes are not compatible. I has all set to drill the hole for the paddle wheel and was even under the boat with a drill, looking at how pristine the bottom was I chickened out. I ended up paying the shop I take it to for service $100 to drill the hole and mount the paddle wheel. I then did the wiring myself. I cannot remember the if the IGN or BAT are the same...sorry and good luck.

[Rick]

I do not believe IGN and BAT are the same. If you search on Faria Gauges and my name there is a post with pictures and wiring guide. I had PP so I used the jumper wire. The pitot tubes are not compatible. You will have to mount a paddlewheel. On the bright side that's the hardest part of putting PP on your boat.

[SoldTheBayliner]

Well if the IGN and BAT terminals are not the same, I got bum gauges, because there is no IGN terminal. Also, the one that the instructions say doesn't have a label, has a label. it's called SYNC PORT. They are fully installed minus the paddle wheel, and they 'come to life' when I turn the ignition on, and light up when I turn the nav lights on...so that's a good sign.

I got a nice voicemail back in response to my email to nautiqueparts... my email was rejecting their reply, so they took the time to call (nice). Most of it sounded like stuff you'd learn in electrician school...there were words like 'proprietary', 'voltage reduction', 'ohm-synco-patho-resistor-ification' and stuff.. but the gist was that the two systems are definitely not compatible. So I drill... I installed a tower once, so same concept as far as drilling holes in your boat...but I get weird below the waterline. A 2" hole is a big hole.

[Mikeski]

Here is a solution that will power the gauge off GPS: http://nauticlaugic.com/nl4-fa%20packages.html

Alternatively you could just return the Faria speedo and just get a GPS speedo for about $100 + $140 for the receiver.

Another option is to replace the cruise with Perfect Pass pro but that would also require drilling a hole or addition of the GPS unit.

I have no issue drilling holes in my boat, it's fiberglass and fairly easy to repair especially on the bottom.

[Rick]

Just Make sure you mark and drill the hole so it doesn't hit something like an engine mount or the bottom of the tranny. Also seal it with 3M 5200. It takes a week to dry but is completely waterproof.

[Chexi]

IGN = BAT on those gauges.

I did this upgrade last year. Went with a used pp pro and nauticlaugic gps and faria kit. Would have been about same price to buy the used pp pro and upgrade to stargazer and not get the nauticlaugic and the faria gauges. Aesthetically I like having the gauges.

If you ride on a river, then you probably still want a paddlewheel though.

[SoldTheBayliner]

Well I'm out of boat budget and gas is going to hurt this summer... so spending another couple hundred isn't an option when I have all the stuff to make it work right here. I'd drill a hole in a friend's boat with supreme confidence , I guess it's no big deal. I was going to ask about sealant/adhesive... 5200 is one option, I've heard of another stuff, but I can't think of the name... does everyone use the 5200 with good results? And will it cure underwater, or do I need to stay off of the lake for a full week?

Also, location of the hole for a 2000 SAN? The Faria recommendation for the 210 is 68" forward from the rear, 2" to starboard of the centerline. Is that about right for my boat? I was thinking I'd use magnets to make sure I had a good spot...

[Chexi]

You can use 3m 4000 and probably use it in about 48 hours.

[SoldTheBayliner]

Can anyone give me a better idea of where I want to mount the paddle wheel, in terms of best location for reliable signal? Maybe a measurement from the back of the boat for a 2000 SAN? That would be huge.

[crobi2]

Sorry, don't have a paddle wheel on mine. But if I remember correctly, they end up right around just aft of the v-drive on one side or the other.

[hyparks]

If you pull the floor up and face the back of the boat from inside look down at the v drive. Mine is fitted at the right hand corner of the v drive.

Mine works fine in that position. Won't be at the boat until sunday so can take a photo of it then for you if you need one.

[SoldTheBayliner]

^ That would be awesome if it's easy to get a pic. Thanks. Right hand REAR corner, I assume? And right hand when you're facing the rear of the boat puts it on the passenger side... I assumed it would be on the driver's side of the center line. Probably doesn't matter...?

[hyparks]

Yeah passenger side of centre line. That's where mine is but not sure if that's a standard position?
Can get photo no problem but will not be until sunday, weather permitting.