Anyone running a 5 blade on a 220?

[cwindingland]

Well, I was all set to order up a 1235 for my 07 220 SANTE (330 Excalibur) but am now waivering with the new 5 blade 2245. We typically just board, surf, and cruise (@20'ish) so not overly concerned with top end. And, we just ballast around 1000 - 2000 lbs. The boat currently has a 645 which I think could do much better with a new prop. I appreciate your feedback.

[robertsmcfarland]

do not know about the 220 and a 5 blade prop, but from resent test ,feature on P/N on the g23 and 210 the 5 blade was a disappointment.

[djmekinac]

A five blade won't give you much, I had a 1235 on my 220 ZR6 375 and it performed well.

[ironj32]

For your application, I'd say the 1235 would be a great choice. Keep in mind that this experience is not based on a 220, but with a few 230's and an older XStar. I'd give the guys at Acme a call and have them give you their input.

[cwindingland]

Yeah, I suspected the 1235 would be the best choice but I wanted to make sure I wasn't 'missing the boat' on the latest and greatest. I thought I read a post on one of the forums where someone stated it cleaned up their wave a bit where it wasn't quite as finichy on the side to side balance.

[Bigdogsuperair]

I have both a 1579 and recently added the 1235 to my 220. I can say the 1579 had the cleanest wake and it was fairly strong in the weight range you are talking about. I just put the 1235 on three weeks ago as we were trying to get as close to the g25 as we could get before riding behind it. We added 4000 lbs of ballast and at that point getting on plane was a chore. The 1235 gave more hole shot but not the same as if we had a Z06, torque still wins. However we have dropped about 100-150 rpms at the same speed as the 1579, but picked up some port side foam at 75-80 feet that was never there before. I dont know if this helps but there always is a trade off it seems.

[wakeskier]

I have both a 1579 and recently added the 1235 to my 220. I can say the 1579 had the cleanest wake and it was fairly strong in the weight range you are talking about. I just put the 1235 on three weeks ago as we were trying to get as close to the g25 as we could get before riding behind it. We added 4000 lbs of ballast and at that point getting on plane was a chore. The 1235 gave more hole shot but not the same as if we had a Z06, torque still wins. However we have dropped about 100-150 rpms at the same speed as the 1579, but picked up some port side foam at 75-80 feet that was never there before. I dont know if this helps but there always is a trade off it seems.

Interesting, I wonder if I should consider getting a 1579? I'm currently running a 1235 on my 220 and do have some foam issues... I'm running 2000-2500lbs ballast (probably 3k max) with a ZR6, so it sounds like hole shot should be ok?

[Bigdogsuperair]

Yeah just got back today after running "normal" ballast to get some newbies up and ran a set missing the clean wake of before. Dont know if the prop is the for sure culprit, but seems like the change has its costs. Oh well still had a killer time. I will say with the 1235 and lighter loads my boat shot to speed.

[cwindingland]

I have both a 1579 and recently added the 1235 to my 220. I can say the 1579 had the cleanest wake and it was fairly strong in the weight range you are talking about. I just put the 1235 on three weeks ago as we were trying to get as close to the g25 as we could get before riding behind it. We added 4000 lbs of ballast and at that point getting on plane was a chore. The 1235 gave more hole shot but not the same as if we had a Z06, torque still wins. However we have dropped about 100-150 rpms at the same speed as the 1579, but picked up some port side foam at 75-80 feet that was never there before. I dont know if this helps but there always is a trade off it seems.

Yet another prop to consider. I guess when you a searching for an all-around prop you will have some trade-offs. I really like the idea of a clean wake and would sacrafice some holeshot if need be. Were you in the 20 - 22mph range with the portside foam? And, how was the 1579 for surfing? My brother put a 1235 on his 211 and it really washed out the wave. Plenty-O-Power though.

[Bigdogsuperair]

I agree with the trade off issue. We really had no wake issues or power with the 1579 surfing. The wake was easy to dial in and again seemed much cleaner than the 1235. Our star gazer seemed to hunt for set point at 10-12 mph until we played with the kw setting. We really only switched to the 1235 because of the huge amont of weight we added with the fly high jumbo sac. (takes up the entire floor) My main concern with the 4000+ lbs was the engine rpms we had to turn at speed. I guess the 100-200 rpm reduction and hole shot was worth it but now I am wondering if the better approach would be a ballast diet. Oh well I will keep playing with it and maybe figure out if the weight distribution is the problem. Now like everyone else we are trying to keep centered as much as possible, even making sure we have an odd number going out so its easier to balance left and right if you can believe it!!!

[wakeskier]

I agree with the trade off issue. We really had no wake issues or power with the 1579 surfing. The wake was easy to dial in and again seemed much cleaner than the 1235. Our star gazer seemed to hunt for set point at 10-12 mph until we played with the kw setting. We really only switched to the 1235 because of the huge amont of weight we added with the fly high jumbo sac. (takes up the entire floor) My main concern with the 4000+ lbs was the engine rpms we had to turn at speed. I guess the 100-200 rpm reduction and hole shot was worth it but now I am wondering if the better approach would be a ballast diet. Oh well I will keep playing with it and maybe figure out if the weight distribution is the problem. Now like everyone else we are trying to keep centered as much as possible, even making sure we have an odd number going out so its easier to balance left and right if you can believe it!!!

So how was the wake with 4000+ lbs? was it noticabely bigger?
How fast did you need to go?

What's your normal ballast setup?
It seems like whatever I try I need to go at least 24mph at 70ft minimum. At 80ft we pretty much had to run at 25mph. If we slowed down at all the wake would start to wash out at those distances.
I'm trying to get a setup option for beginners in the 21-22mph range... I'm thinking I may have to buy a shorter rope?

I'm heading out later today, so I'm hoping to try another ballast setup to improve the wake?
Currently the best setup I've used for the cleanest wake at 24mph, 70ft is full stock ballast, integrated bow sac under bow seats, 400lb sac in ski locker, 100lbs lead in bow. I keep 80lbs of lead next to the driver for balancing

Surfing is no problem, it sets up so easy as long as there's more weight on the surf side, we run at 11.2mph.

[Bigdogsuperair]

Okay so an update to the wake issue. Last night we our "light" set which is stock plus all compartments plumbed to about a total of 2500 lbs. We ran at 24 mph with a cleaner wake at 75-80 feet. Luckily we only had three people total and we are all about the same weight so balancing with a rider was easy. Still not as clean as the 1579 but much better. The problem is when we have different numbers and sizes of people. I have always read that this hull is very sensitive side to side and never noticed it as much till the change. Maybe the prop magnifies the sensitivity? It looks like we will have to really get the balance right with each rider since we will not always have the perfect three like last night very often.

The wake with 4000 lbs improved by 3-6 inches depending on line length. We usuallly ride 80-85 and had 24.7 mph to 25 for the best wake. I know I have the trade off of the foam but I am still going to work on it with maybe some lead weight that we can move around. I think we are closer to a heavy 230 now than the G series.

Right now we have all compartments plumbed and then add the jumbo after removing the "love" seat to get it as far back as possible, then add a tube sac in the front walkway. Of course this leaves no floor space at all which is fun. Oh well I wish we could justify a G23 but that is a dream for another day.

[cwindingland]

Well, I think that settles my decision of leaning towards the 1579. It should be a fair improvement over the 645 on there now but foregoing the holeshot of the 1235. We don't use nearly the amount of ballast as you are running since we have smaller kids just getting started and well, I am losing my edge as I get older . I did have an opportunity to ride behind a G23 a few weeks back. Man could I hurt myself back there. Nice surf wake with factory ballast and a nice transition. Although it was still a little weight balance sensitive when boarding. Thanks again for sharing your experiences with the different props. Great info!

[wakeskier]

Okay so an update to the wake issue. Last night we our "light" set which is stock plus all compartments plumbed to about a total of 2500 lbs. We ran at 24 mph with a cleaner wake at 75-80 feet. Luckily we only had three people total and we are all about the same weight so balancing with a rider was easy. Still not as clean as the 1579 but much better. The problem is when we have different numbers and sizes of people. I have always read that this hull is very sensitive side to side and never noticed it as much till the change. Maybe the prop magnifies the sensitivity? It looks like we will have to really get the balance right with each rider since we will not always have the perfect three like last night very often.

The wake with 4000 lbs improved by 3-6 inches depending on line length. We usuallly ride 80-85 and had 24.7 mph to 25 for the best wake. I know I have the trade off of the foam but I am still going to work on it with maybe some lead weight that we can move around. I think we are closer to a heavy 230 now than the G series.

Right now we have all compartments plumbed and then add the jumbo after removing the "love" seat to get it as far back as possible, then add a tube sac in the front walkway. Of course this leaves no floor space at all which is fun. Oh well I wish we could justify a G23 but that is a dream for another day.

What's your exact weighting layout for you're "light" setup?
2500lbs, 80ft at 24mph sounds great
Up until yesterday I was running about 2000lbs total (extra weight in center locker and bow) but had to go 24.2mph at 75ft for a clean wake.
Yesterday I filled up almost all the sacs I had (about 3200lbs total) and that brought the wake to a whole new level! but had to ride 25.2mph at 75ft for a clean wake.
Any suggestions? I'm looking to be able to go a bit slower...

[Bigdogsuperair]

I agree with the 3000+ lbs at 25mph and above with the 1235. We have had no luck with any slower speeds unless we only load the factory ballast. When we add the additional ballast the wake needs speed to clean. Our light set is factory plus the 450s in the rear,400 in the locker and 300 in the nose plumbed in. I have noticed with the water temp dropping to the mid 60s here now we were able to dial back to 23.5. Don't know if that helps any.