PCM opinion regarding fogging...

[scottb7]

Per Gary at PCM...pulling lanyard will not turn off fuel and spark, and fogging unnecessary unless storing over a year....
From:ggalat@pleasurecraft.com
To: scott@.com
Subject: RE:WEBSITE SUBMISSION
Date: Tue, 4Dec 2012 13:53:47 -0500
Scott,
the only wayto kill both spark and fuel effectively is to put the engine in a compressiontest mode. This has to be done with Diacom which is something that our dealerscarry. Otherwise unless you are storing the boat for an extended time (likeover a year) then you don't really need to fog the engine.
Gary Galat
CustomerService
PleasurecraftEngine Group
ph(803)345-1337 ext114
fax(803)345-3309

-----OriginalMessage-----
From: Scott [mailto:scott@.com]
Sent:Friday, November 23, 2012 11:52 AM
To: GaryGalat
Subject: RE:WEBSITE SUBMISSION
Gary, Ithink I responded some time ago that it is not a catalyst engine. Did you ever figure out if there is a way toturn motor without squirting fuel?
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From: ggalat@pleasurecraft.com
To: scott@.com
Subject: RE:WEBSITE SUBMISSION
Date: Fri, 2Nov 2012 16:07:48 -0400
Scott, Ineed to know if this is a catalyst engine.
Gary Galat
CustomerService
PleasurecraftEngine Group
ph(803)345-1337 ext114
fax(803)345-3309
-----OriginalMessage-----
From: Scott [mailto:scott@.com]
Sent:Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:50 PM
To:GaryGalat
Subject: RE:WEBSITE SUBMISSION
sorry it isexcalibur 343...i can get engine serial number if you need it. but i suspecdt you dont need for thisparticular question.
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From:ggalat@pleasurecraft.com
To: scott@.com
Subject: RE:WEBSITE SUBMISSION
Date: Thu, 1Nov 2012 16:45:23 -0400
Scott,
Which enginedo you have, is it the catalyst?
Can youprovide the engine serial number?
Thanks,
Gary Galat
CustomerService
PleasurecraftEngine Group
ph(803)345-1337 ext114
fax(803)345-3309
-----OriginalMessage-----
From: scott@.com[mailto:scott@.com]
Sent:Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:57 PM
To:ggalat@pleasurecraft.com
Subject:WEBSITE SUBMISSION
WEBSITESUBMISSION
manual saysafter fogging to turn over engine few time by hand via crankshaft. i amwondering if there is a way to easily use starter to do this but not squirtfuel to dilute the fogging oil. will pulling the lanyard stop fuel and / orspark?
the issuefor me is that i like to fog each cylinder and then put spark plug and bootback on to not mix up...then i can't turn engine with crankshaft bolt.

[gtxragtop]

I would not risk the engine by not fogging. I've seen what moisture can do to cylinder walls and it's not pretty. It's cheap and easy insurance

[AirTool]

Per Gary at PCM...pulling lanyard will not turn off fuel and spark, and fogging unnecessary unless storing over a year....
From:ggalat@pleasurecraft.com
To: scott@.com
Subject: RE:WEBSITE SUBMISSION
Date: Tue, 4Dec 2012 13:53:47 -0500
Scott,
the only wayto kill both spark and fuel effectively is to put the engine in a compressiontest mode. This has to be done with Diacom which is something that our dealerscarry. Otherwise unless you are storing the boat for an extended time (likeover a year) then you don't really need to fog the engine.
Gary Galat
CustomerService
PleasurecraftEngine Group
ph(803)345-1337 ext114
fax(803)345-3309

This seems very odd to me. I don't care if the guy owns pcm. One or the other or both has to be cut or the )$@#$% thing would keep running. I'm going to test it the next time I bring the boat to my house.

If you goal is to crank it, just jump the starter solenoid with a jumper or remote start switch.

[DanielC]

On a Ford GT-40 unplugging the cube relays prevents power from getting to the computer, the ignition coil, and the fuel pumps. But with the spark plugs out, I can turn the engine with a 15/16 or a 7/8, I forgot which one deep socket on a 1/2 breaker bar.

[Jono]

On a Ford GT-40 unplugging the cube relays prevents power from getting to the computer, the ignition coil, and the fuel pumps. But with the spark plugs out, I can turn the engine with a 15/16 or a 7/8, I forgot which one deep socket on a 1/2 breaker bar.

if thats the case, why use the socket?
i've got the gt40, and have done it the lanyard way for years. i only crank it for a fraction of a second- just enough to turn it over once. I read this subject before, and feared i was washing the oil away. this year i pulled some plugs after i fogged and they were heavily coated in the oil - no signs or smell of gas.
if you really wanted to be sure how your lanyard works, couldn't you disconnect the fuel rail somewhere and see what happens?

[AirTool]

if you really wanted to be sure how your lanyard works, couldn't you disconnect the fuel rail somewhere and see what happens?

I'd start with a voltmeter on the fuel pump.
If its "on", I'd put a noid light on the injectors.

[Zach@n3]

I'm trying to rack my brain. We had a boat in with a kill switch problem. I believe the pump still ran but it killed the spark and or the injectors. The only way to kill the engine in the same instant would be to kill injectors or spark. We don't fog anything here that sits for a year or less. My personal boat hasn't been fogged for 7 seasons and my fathers boat no fog for 12 seasons. If you are that concerned about it go crank the engine 1 full rotation via the crank pulley bolt during the winter. If I'm around mine I will turn the battery switch on and crank it a rotation. All of the original engines pulled from our go fast cars get cranked by hand probably once every 6 months to a year. No rust in 10 years in my car's 318, No rust in 23+ years in the 440. Both are still as smooth as the day they were born.

Owners preference on fogging. Most water is frozen in the winter anyways

[DanielC]

The Ford GT-40 will still power the fuel pumps, with the lanyard disconnected, when cranking the engine.

In other words, with the lanyard off the switch, the engine will still run as long as the key is held in the start position.