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  • bblueg
    • Jul 2012
    • 158

    • Higgins Lake, MI


    #16
    Originally posted by nyryan2001 View Post
    ^^^ thats a signif problem. Imagine if you had a small tear in one of your sacs and it decided to autofill.

    if yours is pulling in that much, you need to use your seacocks all the time you are not ballasted doing watersports.
    dealer has checked the bags and all the lines. There are no leaks or tears.
    It was they who advised to close valves when moored until nautique comes up with a solution. Last fall they had talked about lengthing the line from the pump to the bag and route it higher in the gunwail.


    Can you clarify what you meant "you are not ballasted doing watersports"? Yes we fill for surfing and wake. Upon draining, we close the valves.
    2013 SAN G23 450

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    • ers906
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Feb 2010
      • 921

      • Phoenix AZ

      • 2013 G23 550 hp (ordered and awaiting delivery) 2002 Super Sport (coverted into a SAN) 330 hp Excaliber 1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp 1989 Horizon 200 Four Winns - sold 1989 Regal Commodore 280 - previous Possibly looking into picking up a 70'2-80's Nautique to rebuild as a ski boat

      #17
      Regardless of this problem (which I admit is quite a pain to figure out exactly how much ballast is present at times), I believe that it is always good practice to close the valves to any through-hull when mooring overnight. I have done that in every boat that I own, and continue to do so in the G. It may be a pain to open the valves in the morning, but it certainly helps me sleep at night not worrying about a cracked hose or fitting. I do hope that Nautique does come up fix soon though.
      Eric, Phoenix AZ

      G23 550 hp (finally here)
      2002 Super Air
      1994 Sun Tracker Party Barge 115 hp

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      • sja
        • Jun 2012
        • 66

        • minneapolis

        • 2013 Nautique G23 XS550

        #18
        My dealer told me it is a "soft impeller" problem, and that there will be a fix recommended soon in terms of changing out to more ridged impellers. As with BBlueG 's case, my ballast only takes an hour or two to fill to 1/2 to 7/8 full. With this rate of leakage I wonder if when running on plane when at least the topmost portion of the full ballast tanks will be above the water line (perhaps helped along by a venturi effect) that I could actually lose water from the tanks. After I discovered the problem I planned to close the seacocks and only open them when making intentional changes in the ballast levels.

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        • nyryan2001
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 1993

          • Lake Anna


          #19
          Originally posted by bblueg View Post
          Can you clarify what you meant "you are not ballasted doing watersports"? Yes we fill for surfing and wake. Upon draining, we close the valves.
          i just mean unless you intend to have water in the bags, keep them shut as you are doing. Just driving across the lake and hanging out you are taking on considerable water. I hope it is as simple as an impeller swap.

          while we are on topic, anyone know the Globe impeller part number that's a direct replacement for our pumps?

          First, they are premium impeller, second, they are rated to be ran dry, so not the end of the world if you leave it on. I think we have all been guilty of running across the lake and leaving a pump running well past empty.
          2019 G23 450
          2014 G23 550
          2013 G23 450
          2011 Malibu Wakesetter 247
          2007 Yamaha AR210

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          • swankster
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 1052

            • DFW, TX

            • 2013 G23 450 2025 G23 Centennial Edition

            #20
            Originally posted by ers906 View Post
            It may be a pain to open the valves in the morning, but it certainly helps me sleep at night not worrying about a cracked hose or fitting. I do hope that Nautique does come up fix soon though.
            Thanks Eric, I mostly trailer but am headed to the lake for a week and will take your advice!
            2013 G23 450 with NSS (175hrs) and still have the original prop
            2010 SANTE 230 343 (280hrs)
            pre 2010 - various open bow boats and jet skis

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            • bblueg
              • Jul 2012
              • 158

              • Higgins Lake, MI


              #21
              Yes.

              Procedure has been:
              Closed.
              Open to fill.
              Closed to ride.
              Open to drain.
              Closed to and while at the sandbar.

              good talk, all.
              Looking forward to a solution.
              2013 SAN G23 450

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              • Adam Greer
                • Jun 2014
                • 14

                • Orlando, FL


                #22
                Hello All,

                Just a quick clarification as to how the pressure senders come into play. They are not used to live update the gauges except in certain situations. What you see in LINC is based primarily off of timers. However (as many of you have discovered) when LINC boots up, it looks at what the levels were when it shut down (timers) and compares it to what the pressure sender is reporting. If a difference is reported then the timers update to the new level. There are other conditions they are used, but to the main topic of conversation.

                We are actively working on a solution. It seems like there should be an "easy" fix, but there is more than one variable involved and most of the traditional methods only solve one part of the problem or the other. Hopefully more details can be revealed in the near future. We understand the concern and want the problem resolved. Thanks in advance for your patience.

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                • jgrun
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 60

                  • Geneva, Switzerland

                  • G23 2023

                  #23
                  G23 ballasts filling up overnight

                  Hi guys,
                  I have a G23 2013 over here in Switzerland. I recently did a LINC software update and since then my ballasts are filling up almost entirely overnight (without pumps obviously) .Only the front ballast remains empty like before. I doubt that it is related to the software update but I just wanted to mention it. Probably need to change the impellers but the boat has only about 120 hours.
                  Any ideas or known issues?
                  Thanks,
                  Jeff
                  2020 SAN G23 450
                  2015 SAN G25 450
                  2013 SAN G23 450
                  2011 SAN 230
                  2003 Air Nautique 226
                  2001 Super Air Nautique
                  1998 Air Nautique
                  1995 Nautique Super Sport

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                  • bblueg
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 158

                    • Higgins Lake, MI


                    #24
                    Originally posted by jgrun View Post
                    Hi guys,
                    I have a G23 2013 over here in Switzerland. I recently did a LINC software update and since then my ballasts are filling up almost entirely overnight (without pumps obviously) .Only the front ballast remains empty like before. I doubt that it is related to the software update but I just wanted to mention it. Probably need to change the impellers but the boat has only about 120 hours.
                    Any ideas or known issues?
                    Thanks,
                    Jeff
                    Funny this post pops back up.

                    my boat is at the dealer and they are doing some testing. Ie: tank covers are off, boat is being left in the water, visual inspection of amounts filling and the time-to-fill.
                    When I talked to them today, they didn't mention impellers being part of the testing, but.... I have my suspicions that they are trying different ones as a part of their due diligence.
                    2013 SAN G23 450

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                    • NautiqueJeff
                      A d m i n i s t r a t o r
                      • Mar 2002
                      • 16519
                      • Lake Norman

                      • Mooresville, NC

                      • 2025 SAN G23 PNE 1985 Sea Nautique 1980 Twin-Engine Fish Nautique

                      #25
                      I'm sure this is an impeller issue. Mine does it too if I leave the valves open. Same deal. Always the rears, never the center. I keep the valves closed if the boat will be left in the water for a long time.
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                      • robertsmcfarland
                        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 544

                        • Hyco

                        • 2014 g23 550

                        #26
                        I would think always closing through hull valves, regardless of problems with the ballast system ,would always be a smart move if the boat is left unattended in the water.
                        2013 G23 super air
                        2010 230 super air
                        2009 220 super air
                        2008 210 super air
                        2005 210 super air
                        2003 calabria pro air

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                        • vision
                          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 517

                          • NC

                          • 2013 G23

                          #27
                          Stiffer impellers will stop the problem.

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                          • KTM525
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 126

                            • Switzerland

                            • 2014 Nautique G21 ZR409

                            #28
                            any updates?

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                            • aguyupnorth
                              • Aug 2016
                              • 44

                              • Ontario

                              • 2014 Nautique G21 XR-550, Mastercraft X-25 (Sold)

                              #29
                              Anyone have updates on this? 3 brand new green impellers, fills only the port tank..... odd no?

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                              • nohlan_4
                                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                                • Jan 2016
                                • 413

                                • Canada

                                • 2013 G23 450

                                #30
                                Originally posted by aguyupnorth View Post
                                Anyone have updates on this? 3 brand new green impellers, fills only the port tank..... odd no?
                                Close the valves manually or install the auto closing valves. Only way to stop it. My boat likes to fill port tank more than stbrd for some reason too. Must be hose routing.

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