2007 to 2014 210 belly tank ballast options

[scottb7]

So many posts on the subject... what was consensus best way for 2007 to 2013 210's with the two pieces belly tank for adding water to belly/bow - when you don't want bags's out to fill manually).

Options:
1. Piggy back to Arrow sack. If I remember right it hardly fills for the 210, and is expensive at $340. http://www.wakemakers.com/nautique-a...ocker-sac.html

2. Piggy back to Under seats sac. Also, don't think it fills much. $269 http://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-i...d-bow-sac.html

3. Piggy back to locker sac. Probably fills as much as 2 options above, don't you think? $130 http://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-tube-sac.html

Has anyone just pulled out their belly tank and just replaced with one sac? If so which one? Would save having to piggy back.

Yeah, I know run the baby tube to avoid suction if you piggy back.

[Nordicron]

I'm not to sure how easy it is to pull that tank out? But I'm guessing u could do it. Problem would be now u have suck a weird space to try and fill up. I'm sure wake makers could do it but would cost u a lot of money.

I have the arrow and yes was expensive and I now it fills less than 300lbs because it starts to overflow atleast a full minute before the backs shut off. I do think it probably fills more than a normal piggy back sack would though. I also can't see the integrated bow sac filling in more either though. Someone should be able to post up of a integrated bow sac takes more than 1 fill cycle on the pump or not.

[jbwake]

I am interested to know this too.

The arrow sack looks good to me as it still allows under the bow seats to be used for easy to access storage. Do people with the arrow sack have any trouble with it?

I recently emailed Wakemakers and Bryan suggested the integrated bow sacks will fill more than an arrow sack but I would like to know how much?

We run a bit of lead in the front so that may make up for any shortfall between the arrow sack and the integrated bow sack as I am thinking the difference can’t be much?

[Rconautique]

I'm looking into bow ballast options as well. I currently have the integrated bow sac (under the bow seats) piggy backed off the factory belly tank. Well the belly tank just developed a crack that I can't repair. I'm going to pull the factory belly tank out as well as integrated bow sac. I would love to be able to fit the fly high "open bow" sac (1000lbs) down in the ski locker area in place of the factory tank. I know it wouldn't be an exact fit but I figure it would conform as needed and even if it only filled 3/4's of the way that's still 750lbs, not bad. Btw I have a 2007 SANTE 210

[HS]

I went with the Arrow sac. I looked at all the dimensions and thought it would eek out a few more lbs of ballast over the tube sac. Happy with it. Like having under seat storage. You are right, and as the WM notes indicate, it won't Max out at 650 in the 210

[jbwake]

HS - What size sacks have you got in the back and does you boat seem balanced when they are all full?

[Nordicron]

2007 to 2014 210 belly tank ballast options

I will say that with completely full 750s in the rear of a 210 and only a arrow sac the 210 will not plane even with a 1235 prop. Guys have claimed being able to plane with completely full 750's and the integrated bow sac however....

Likely because the int bow sac has more weight further forward.

[scottb7]

I'm looking into bow ballast options as well. I currently have the integrated bow sac (under the bow seats) piggy backed off the factory belly tank. Well the belly tank just developed a crack that I can't repair. I'm going to pull the factory belly tank out as well as integrated bow sac. I would love to be able to fit the fly high "open bow" sac (1000lbs) down in the ski locker area in place of the factory tank. I know it wouldn't be an exact fit but I figure it would conform as needed and even if it only filled 3/4's of the way that's still 750lbs, not bad. Btw I have a 2007 SANTE 210

This is exactly what I was thinking. Although mine is not cracked..yet. $189 http://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-open-bow-sac.html

[Chad52]

I run the piggy-backed Arrow sack as well as about 200 lbs of weight in the nose of my 210.

Chad

[swatguy]

I did some extensive research and measuring when deciding on which way to go piggy backing off the factory tank on my 08. Spoke with Wakemakers a ton. After going back and forth they pretty much wiped out the Arrow Sac idea for me. The arrow was really designed for the 230 they explained . You may think your getting the maximum fill because the arrow portion widens out at the nose but what happens is there is so much extra material wrinkled up that it's actuallly no more that the tube sac. It's almost triple the cost and you by no means are you getting triple the weight from it. So with the advice of Wakemakers I went with the tube sac and it seems to be working out great. The problem is the portion between the tank. It's very narrow so with tose wider sac'd like the arrow and rear seat there is so much excess material you don't get a great fill out of it .

I gutted my rear tanks and threw 900 back there. I also had a 1433 and 1275 with just the piggy back on the belly talk the boat was a beast to plane. This was with the 900's filled to about 3/4. I added 200lbs in pop bags stuffed in the nose all the way forward in addition to the extra belly sac and it was a completely different boat. The 200lbs made a huge difference in the way the boat sat unweighted as well( can't dump 200lbs of pop bags). It really dropped the nose. I could get on plane much better. Which leads me to think the ibs sac under the seats will def give you a better weight distribution if you had to choose between runing the tube sac in the belly or ibs under the cushions.

Even if you removed that center tank and could stuff 1000 lbs in there I think it's placement isn't going to help out much. You need to shift the weight forward to get the most out of it. This is just from my short time dialing in my boat. But I spent a solid week moving around ballast just to see what effect it would have. In the end I wound up like this

Around 700 on each side of the engine, center tank and piggy backed tube sac, 200lbs of pop bags stuffed in the nose. Speed 24.5 rope 80ft, hydrogate all the way up. Have me everything I needed

[jonsquatch]

I run 750's in the rear and the factory tank up front. I have 200lbs of hard ballast up in the anchor locker that always sits there. If I don't have a passenger sitting up front I have another 300lbs of hard ballast bags that I can move up and almost conceal completely under the bow filler cushion and still have full use of the other 2 bow storage areas. Its not as easy to "fill" and "empty" as water but its a lot faster which comes in handy when you only have a crew of 3 and the rider decides they are done right in middle of a busy traffic area since you can lighten up the front a few hundred pounds in just a couple of seconds before you pull the rope in.

I still run the 1579 prop and I can get on plane pretty easily with just 200-300lbs up front plus the belly tank with the 750's full but I usually have most of the rest of the 500lbs in the center of the boat either offset to the observer side or in the ski locker so it does help a bit.

[HS]

HS - What size sacks have you got in the back and does you boat seem balanced when they are all full?

750's -- to your question about the boat being balanced our set up is for surfing; (we're good with factory ballast for WB).

[swatguy]

I run 750's in the rear and the factory tank up front. I have 200lbs of hard ballast up in the anchor locker that always sits there. If I don't have a passenger sitting up front I have another 300lbs of hard ballast bags that I can move up and almost conceal completely under the bow filler cushion and still have full use of the other 2 bow storage areas. Its not as easy to "fill" and "empty" as water but its a lot faster which comes in handy when you only have a crew of 3 and the rider decides they are done right in middle of a busy traffic area since you can lighten up the front a few hundred pounds in just a couple of seconds before you pull the rope in.

I still run the 1579 prop and I can get on plane pretty easily with just 200-300lbs up front plus the belly tank with the 750's full but I usually have most of the rest of the 500lbs in the center of the boat either offset to the observer side or in the ski locker so it does help a bit.

I am with john here. The pop bags/steel bags are great to have on hand. I ride mostly with a crew of 3 as well. Make balancing and shifting weight easy. The boat responds differently with the pop bags because you can conventrate the weight in more narrow space. So 300-400lbs of pop bags all the way forward feels like a full 750 in the walkway.