Repair for Dead Gauges on 2003-2006 Nautiques Caused by Bad Faria Gateway

[msumike]

Anyone know where the gateway is on a ‘06 226? Sounds like moisture is my problem.

I have a 2006 226 Air Nautique Limited edition and my gateway box is located under dash behind the footwell panel and attached above. Perfect Pass is integrated so I don't have the pilot tubes but have same issues with gauges, Worked intermittently the last couple years and now nothing, I pulled the gateway box and inspected it and everything looked dry and clean. Next step is to replace a guage and see if that solves it, otherwise not sure which direction to go.

[shag]

Good luck with getting help on this from either Faria or Nautique. I have been been round and round (politely) with both. Here is the response from Faria:
Hello Michael,
Im afraid we really won't be able to help with this. We are no longer set up to , test , repair , or manufacture the Gateway box or gateway instruments. It is something in the Gateway software that causes it but its not a product we can still support. Perhaps mounting a 2" LCD type hour meter near the engine to track maintenance hours would be a good option? There are brackets that you can get to mount it so it won't look bad. The actual hours should still be stored on the engines computer or ECU.
Very Respectfully,
Jason B. Clark
Technical Service Manager
Faria Beede Instruments, Inc.
75 Frontage Rd. Suite 106
North Stonington , CT 06359
U.S. Phone 1-800-473-2742
Outside U.S. 1-860-848-9271 ext 1229
For Repair of Faria Marine Instruments older than 2 years please visit our Gauge Repair section at the link below to obtain a repair or return number:

As far as Nautique Customer Care/Ron Nace, he is nearly impossible to get a hold of and then acts like we can just go buy a new gateway at the dealer to fix things (actually said that in a reply).
(my hour meter won't go past 999.9). I know for a fact they provided a replacement gateway to another customer within the last few years at no cost, that fixed the issue. (#GW0021C is the updated part # for a 2008 SAN210/230 anyway).
I understand it's a 10 year old boat, but to not support these is crap. Theres not even a way to fix it. Even if you go with the expensive retro kit, the hour meter won't be correct, and those gauges look hideous. Sorry, rant over...

[functionoverfashion]

My guess is that it's a capacitor in the Gateway (a .78 cent part) which is going to force us all to spend $1600 for a new gateway and gauges.

It'd be great if you could come up with a solution like this. Especially when one gets to the point of having a dead gateway box, you kinda have nothing to lose.

[SilentSeven]

I'd guess the best path forward would be to find a one man specialist who'd be interested in reverse engineering the box and then create a niche business rebuilding them for owners like us. Kinda like what the GT40 guys did for their ECU problem.

I know I would pay pretty decent bucks to get my box repaired vs have to swap out the gauges.

Either this or we just have to suffer the neglect of Faria and Nautique who moved on years ago.

Posted via phone. Sorry for the tpyos.

[Gill]

Where is the gateway located in a 2006 Ski Nautique Limited?

[obd666]

There are definitely people who can troubleshoot the circuit board in the gateway and repair/solder the faulty capacitor or component, we just have to find the right person. There was a guy on this thread a few years ago who expressed interest in having someone with a bad one send it to him to work on, but I don't think he ever posted again about it. Mine is still operating at this point, but this is the path I intend to go down when and if it does quit working. It would be a much easier solution than swapping out gauges, not to mention a fraction of the cost.

[functionoverfashion]

There are definitely people who can troubleshoot the circuit board in the gateway and repair/solder the faulty capacitor or component, we just have to find the right person. There was a guy on this thread a few years ago who expressed interest in having someone with a bad one send it to him to work on, but I don't think he ever posted again about it. Mine is still operating at this point, but this is the path I intend to go down when and if it does quit working. It would be a much easier solution than swapping out gauges, not to mention a fraction of the cost.

I'd be interested in this route as well, but is there any concern about the gauges themselves continuing to function 17, or 20 years later? I know these kinds of things don't last forever, and swapping out all the gauges and ditching the gateway box has more advantages than just getting the box working again. If the gauges are thought to be reliable, then it's worth fixing the gateway box. I don't know the answer, just wondering.

[msumike]

I have a 2006 226 Air Nautique Limited edition and my gateway box is located under dash behind the footwell panel and attached above. Perfect Pass is integrated so I don't have the pilot tubes but have same issues with gauges, Worked intermittently the last couple years and now nothing, I pulled the gateway box and inspected it and everything looked dry and clean. Next step is to replace a guage and see if that solves it, otherwise not sure which direction to go.

I decided to skip replacing a gauge and do the whole Gateway box work around with the install kit of new gauges and harness. I could only find 2 replacement gauges and by the time I paid the prices I figured I might as well bite the bullet and be done with it and do the whole dash. I did the install myself and it took up most of one day. The directions were ok but if you have a 2006 or newer make sure you print the addendum to the directions for the 2006 or newer as it did not come in the directions with the box. It is also helpful if you have the removal and crimping tool for the Deutsch DT connectors. There are a few wires you will need to splice if you want to try to use the existing Perfect Pass, if that part of your gateway box still works. With my gateway box under the dash I didn't need the extension harness so I was able to cannibalize the extension harness for extra connectors and wire. Everything seemed to come on with the ignition but I haven't put the boat in the water yet to test out the gauges. It was still snowing,

[obd666]

I'd be interested in this route as well, but is there any concern about the gauges themselves continuing to function 17, or 20 years later? I know these kinds of things don't last forever, and swapping out all the gauges and ditching the gateway box has more advantages than just getting the box working again. If the gauges are thought to be reliable, then it's worth fixing the gateway box. I don't know the answer, just wondering.

I guess issues with the actual gauges are always a possibility but i'll cross that bridge when i come to it. I'm trying to maintain the factory dash look as long as they keep going. Not crazy about how any of the replacement kits look that iv'e seen.


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[obd666]

I decided to skip replacing a gauge and do the whole Gateway box work around with the install kit of new gauges and harness. I could only find 2 replacement gauges and by the time I paid the prices I figured I might as well bite the bullet and be done with it and do the whole dash. I did the install myself and it took up most of one day. The directions were ok but if you have a 2006 or newer make sure you print the addendum to the directions for the 2006 or newer as it did not come in the directions with the box. It is also helpful if you have the removal and crimping tool for the Deutsch DT connectors. There are a few wires you will need to splice if you want to try to use the existing Perfect Pass, if that part of your gateway box still works. With my gateway box under the dash I didn't need the extension harness so I was able to cannibalize the extension harness for extra connectors and wire. Everything seemed to come on with the ignition but I haven't put the boat in the water yet to test out the gauges. It was still snowing,

Good deal. Post a pic when u get a chance.


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[clsimmon]

This is the following routine I went through with Faria to troubleshoot:

• 12v continuous, and 12v switched power, along with checking for continuity with ground lead to the ground tie-off under the dash to the gateway box
• Voltage on the Faria bus to your first gauge: from A to D is 8.1v from A to B is 4.2v from A to C is 8.1v

Next confirm your grounds:

• I was getting .3 ohms from ground tie-off under the dash to the black wire going in to plug 2.
• I was getting about .5 ohms from pin 4 of the Faria Bus wire that plugs in to the first gauge to the ground of the cigarette lighter.

All of these readings were good and Faria believed that even though there is voltage through the bus, the messaging is no longer working and they have no way to read and troubleshoot their proprietary Faria bus protocol any longer.

Therefore, I bought the conversion kit and did it myself. It wasn't that difficult. It took only a couple of hours. Also, I noticed that https://www.nautiqueparts.com/produc...y-box-2003-05/ comes with two wiring harnesses. If you have an '06 or newer you will NOT need the 25' wiring harness and you can call Miami Nautique and request a drop ship direct from from Nautique w/o this harness and save yourself around $150!

Do as MSUMike states and buy you a Deutsch crimper in advance. I'm not sure why they did not crimp the wires for the depth finder as it seems to be the same for all conversions. Regardless the correct crimper can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[bolinger06]

Ok guys. I have a 2006 sv211. My perfect pass has been cracked for a while but still works, most of the guages stopped working on and off. I got the guage conversion kit and got them all wired up. The 2006/2007 option has the perfect pass plugging in to the gateway. I was under the impression that I could get rid of the gateway box completely but that doesnt seem possible after reading it has to be used to for the perfect pass to work. I bought this kit thinking it would help me eliminate it completely but nothing matches up and doesnt seem like it is for our boat even though it says 2006. https://www.nautiqueparts.com/produc...t-pass-se-dbw/ 2. Questions. Are you guys eliminating the gateway box completely with the new guage conversion kits or do I have to keep the gateway to run the perfect pass? Do I have the wrong perfect pass? It is completely different the the current one I have. I thought it was an upgrade but I think it's just the wrong year.

[SilentSeven]

Not sure if this helps or not...but you might want to scan this Perfect Pass page on bypassing the Faria gateway box....

http://perfectpass.com/?q=upgradeoptions

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[bolinger06]

Ya, that's the way I'm planning on going. Was going to add that to the post but didnt want to make it anymore confusing. The 2006 boats dont have DRIVE BY WIRE for perfect pass so I have the wrong parts. Bought it at the end of last year and finally opened it yesterday to get started on it. Hopefully nautique parts will let me return it. Very confusing when it says 2006 but our boats are really 2005 models. Going to call perfect pass tomorrow and make sure everything is compatible.

[SilentSeven]

What's the PP drive by wire? When I think of a drive by wire system, I think of the Zero Off. Pretty sure Zero Offs were not possible until the 2007 and later model years...something changed in the ECU systems at that point that enabled the speed control systems to directly interface to engine thus avoiding the throttle servo system.

And if I have my history correct, the ZO tech was developed by PP but was sold off in some sort of licensing agreement. Today and in line with that agreement, PP only does servo systems and ZO is exclusively ECU direct interface systems.