04-05 Ballast system tune-up

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  • Mikeski
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Jul 2003
    • 2908

    • San Francisco, CA

    • Current 2005 SV 211, due for upgrade! GS22 or GS24 perhaps? Previous

    04-05 Ballast system tune-up

    I apologize if I started this post before but I cannot find it so I am starting again.

    Let's start with the final results from my water test this morning... Rear tanks fill in 4.5 minutes, front tank fills in 5.5 minutes, rear tanks drain in 3.5 minutes, front tank drains in 5 minutes. Absolutely no leaks into the tanks when the valves are turned to the closed position!

    My 2005 SV 211 with helm control ballast system had developed a few issues by the end of it's first summer. Based on other posts and Henry's write-up (hsmunoz) I decided to replace the flo-rite valves with the TH Valves. Henry did a very good job of writing that up so I won't bore everybody with those details. The dealers can also do the replacement but I recommend doing this instead.

    I always wondered why the larger center ballast tank filled quicker than the rear tanks? I thought it must have had a bigger pump? Nope, it's because the valve on the center tank is after the pump not before it like the valves on the rear tanks. The aerator pumps work much better with the valves downstream so they are not starved for water.

    I also relocated the pumps so they screw right into the manual ball valves with the output facing up so they would get primed without having to move the boat. This works so well I am sure that the scoops are no longer needed. The key here is the fact that the factory Attwood 750gph pumps have removeable bases. You need to remove the base and screw it directly into the output of the manual ball valve then re-assemble the pump (notice "<-LOCK" on the pix). The pumps for the rear tanks fit nice and tidy right next to the transmission. The belly tank input had an unnecessary 45 degree fitting and close nipple that I removed so the pump would sit lower in the hull (in better water). My pumps also had about 4" of 3/4 threaded pipe on the inlet, I cut it down to about 1" (see pix below). Again, you will need to remove the pump base to get it in there.

    To remove the pumps just remove the phillips screw at the base and give it a twist. Mine were a little stiff, required a littly prying then they came right apart. I added 90 degree fittings on the pump outputs so the exit hoses point towards the back of the boat (slightly angled away from the motor). There was enough slack in the helm control cables that allowed the valves to be mounted behind the pumps. TIP! Since you already have the pumps apart assemble the hoses and valves before putting them back on their bases. It's much easier to do this than to fight the hose fittings up under the motor. Attach the cable to valve just before putting the pump back on it's base.

    I am quite happy with the ballast system now.

    Sorry for lack of pix, I took some but they didn't come out well with the motor mounts in the way.
  • bowvan
    • Aug 2005
    • 100

    • sacramento


    #2
    RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

    Mikeski,

    Tune-up sounds good, but don't remove the intake scoops! If you do, you will loose the ability to fill while your cruising. Have you ever noticed that when you fill your tanks while the boat is up to speed, they fill in half the time? Thats because the atwood pumps are centrifical type pumps and they allow water to pass through the empeller. Basically, the pump can take the additional pressure created by the intake scoops and add to it. Its kind of like a turbo charger. If you take the scoops out, you will loose that!

    The only reason the center tank doesn't have the scoop is because it causes too much turbulance for the perfect pass to function correctly. The paddle wheel is directly behind the center tank intake.

    About screwing the pump stem directly into the bilge: just remenber if you break off the stem, or your pump developes a leak, you have no way to shut off the flow of water. The factory plumbs the valve before the pump, in case of emergency. I'm pretty sure it a coast guard thing. It's the same reason why all the new boats come with a valve just before the raw water intake. Just for emergency. I am suprised that the valve on the center tank is after the pump.

    Anyway, it's not like I'm a safety freak. I usually run around the lake 1500lbs over coast guard, my lanyard has a bottle opener attatched to it, I ride in no-wake zones, the plastic coating has fallen off of my lead and I routinely suck CO from the swim deck while surfing without a life vest.

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    • Mikeski
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Jul 2003
      • 2908

      • San Francisco, CA

      • Current 2005 SV 211, due for upgrade! GS22 or GS24 perhaps? Previous

      #3
      RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

      Thanks Bowvan,

      I know the scoops increase the pressure when you are moving. No worries about the valves, the safety valves are in their factory locations ready to perform their duty if needed. The 04/05 setups have two sets of valves, the safety valves mounted to the through hull on brass and the cable actuated control valves. It's the control valves that I moved.

      He's kidding in the last paragraph...

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      • actiondcpd
        • Jan 2004
        • 147

        • Cardiff, CA


        #4
        RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

        My PP in speed mode doesn't work for #$@!. I have an '03 SAN with a scoop pointing backwards somewhat in front of my paddle wheel. I"m guessing I'm getting turbulence from that. I normally run in RPM mode which has worked well for me. I wonder if it is worth putting a non-scooped thru-hull for my center tank...

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        • wakejunky
          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
          • Jul 2003
          • 679

          • Ca

          • 2003 SAN

          #5
          RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

          Actiondcpd, there is a recall for the replacement of the front strainer to a surface mounted strainer on 03's. Requires some gelcoat work.

          Chris

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          • actiondcpd
            • Jan 2004
            • 147

            • Cardiff, CA


            #6
            RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

            wakejunky,

            Is this a recall as in I don't have to pay... or recomendation that it is set up that way to make the PP work right??

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            • wakejunky
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Jul 2003
              • 679

              • Ca

              • 2003 SAN

              #7
              RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

              It was a recall back in 03'. I had mine done w/o paying anything but, don't know what the status is of this recall today. Once fixed, it'll fix your PP surging.

              Chris

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              • actiondcpd
                • Jan 2004
                • 147

                • Cardiff, CA


                #8
                RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

                You have any documentation of the recall? I called my dealer and they didn't know what I was talking about. I might finally get to use speed mode! Nice.

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                • wakejunky
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 679

                  • Ca

                  • 2003 SAN

                  #9
                  RE: 04-05 Ballast system tune-up

                  I can't seem to find the recall. It might have come from Perfect Pass. Contact them and see if they can remember the problem with the 03' Perfect Pass surging issue from back then.

                  Chris

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