1999 Super Sport Transmission slipping?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • levenge
    • Feb 2014
    • 8

    • nashville,tn


    1999 Super Sport Transmission slipping?

    I have a 1999 Super Sport with the 5.7 Apex, Walter V-drive and PCM transmission. I purchased the boat in 2013 with 370 hours & completely stock. I plumbed it with auto ballast, tower, four blade prop, etc.. Currently has 402 hours and has been well maintained. It is a second boat and used mainly to surf and ski when we have guest at our cabin thus the low hourly usage.

    A couple of weeks ago a friend was driving and he slammed the throttle taking the engine up to almost 5000 rpm for a few seconds before I yelled to pull it back. Did not stay @ 5000 rpm for more than a few seconds, only long enough for me to ask him to stop. Was a wee bit concerned, but did not to think too much about it as it was only a few seconds. About 30 minutes later we filled the ballast (2500#'s) and I jumped in to surf, one pass and no problems. Second run, stared to pull up and then the driver stopped. Said the boat started to pull, then the rpm's jumped and he felt that power was not going to the prop. Essentially the transmission slipping. I got back in the boat, emptied the ballast and headed home. Did fine going home, didn't push but didn't feel quite right. Checked all the fluids(no water in fluids and no leaks), took it back out for a drive and got a little slip when I accelerated hard out of a turn. Put the boat up for the day.

    Last weekend I changed the transmission fluid with the mighty vac (no water in fluid, did not smell or look bad however did have fine particles in the bottom of the might vac) and changed the V-drive oil. Took it out for a test run and it didn't slip, but again didn't feel right as it didn't seem to have the same pep. Went out again with the kids on the tube and felt like I had one little hesitation out of a turn but that was all. I don't know if I am being paranoid which is skewing my feel, but I will say again I didn't feel like it had quite the acceleration as before.

    With all that said, I have a few questions.

    Could the acceleration up to 5000 RPM's be the cause of the slippage?

    Or, could it have accelerated an issue that was already present? I have read the PCM transmissions are not the best, so I would not be surprised if this is the case.

    Either way, at this point I am trying to figure out what is the best course of action.

    Should I begin to look into a new transmission and if so, what should I consider while trying to maintain the stock rotation?

    Or, do I go the rebuild route (I have heard they are expensive to rebuild and not the best option) and if so, who/where would I go in this scenario?

    Lastly, I have done all the work mentioned above and have most tools to do the work, but is this something I leave to a mechanic?



    Thanks in advance for your time and any recommendations.

    Cheers,
    Geoff


  • Quinner
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Apr 2004
    • 2246

    • Unknown

    • Correct Crafts

    #2
    Considering the coast guard capacity of that boat is 1250 lbs including fuel, ballast, people, accy's the most likely cause is overloading. Running wide open is not going to hurt anything as long as the components, engine, trans, etc. are healthy.

    Call ski-dim and ask for his thoughts on the trans issue, they or NP could sell you a new trans. Fantastic Finish Marine out of Ohio used to be the go to place for trans rebuilds or new trans, not sure if they are still as good as they used to be.

    Comment

    • Beach-TJ
      • Oct 2010
      • 207

      • Lake Lanier, Ga

      • 2004 SAN 210 TE

      #3
      I have an 04 Super Air with the Walter V-drive and PCM transmission. I take mine up to almost 5K rpm pretty much every time I go out. Just for a minute, just to open it up. Never had an issue with doing it. I think Quinner offered some good advice. I believe there is a clutch in that transmission, maybe that's all that needs replaced? (if anything does)

      Comment

      • levenge
        • Feb 2014
        • 8

        • nashville,tn


        #4
        Thank you both.

        cheers,
        Geoff

        Comment

        • rossrips7
          • Feb 2010
          • 233

          • Unknown


          #5
          Make sure your prop is tight too. Just something to check if you haven't yet. It most likely doesn't have the newer nylock nut on it


          Sent from my iPhone using PLT Nautique

          Comment

          • charlesml3
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 2454

            • Lake Gaston, NC

            • 2022 G23

            #6
            Originally posted by rossrips7 View Post
            Make sure your prop is tight too. Just something to check if you haven't yet. It most likely doesn't have the newer nylock nut on it


            Sent from my iPhone using PLT Nautique
            Wouldn't matter. It's on a keyed shaft and it isn't going to spin on the shaft unless that key shears. And that's a completely different problem.

            Comment

            • rossrips7
              • Feb 2010
              • 233

              • Unknown


              #7
              Mattered for me.. thought I needed a new tranny with similar symptoms turned out to be a nut that wasn't fully tightened to spec and a key that slightly worn. My two cents. Might as well check


              Sent from my iPhone using PLT Nautique

              Comment

              • levenge
                • Feb 2014
                • 8

                • nashville,tn


                #8
                I am heading down to the cabin tomorrow evening and will check the prop, key and nut. I will post back with results.

                Thanks again for the replies.

                Cheers,
                Geoff

                Comment

                • rossrips7
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 233

                  • Unknown


                  #9
                  It very well may be a clutch on its way out but always worth checking the cheaper fixes rather than jumping to conclusions! Let's us know


                  Sent from my iPhone using PLT Nautique

                  Comment

                  • kmarine
                    • Jun 2017
                    • 109

                    • chicago

                    • boss gt40

                    #10
                    You may have worn clutch plates, I myself would try to get to the end of the ski season and replace clutch in spring. If you have a good inboard trans guy the process is easy. (my trans rebuilder charges around $500) Some mechanics are more comfortable than others with ceratin models. I have run these at 5000 rmp should mot be an issue. as for changing the oil, that alone can change how the clutches mate. you may need to run it for a bit to let the transmission acclimate to new oil. some auto mechanics will tell you the trans failed after the oil was changed. The thing is you really never know the cause for sure.

                    Comment

                    • charlesml3
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 2454

                      • Lake Gaston, NC

                      • 2022 G23

                      #11
                      Originally posted by rossrips7 View Post
                      Mattered for me.. thought I needed a new tranny with similar symptoms turned out to be a nut that wasn't fully tightened to spec and a key that slightly worn. My two cents. Might as well check


                      Sent from my iPhone using PLT Nautique
                      Somebody fed you a line, man. There's no such thing as a key that is "slightly worn." The key is either there and stopping the prop from spinning on the shaft or it's not. If something in your boat was "slipping" it most certainly was not fixed by tightening the prop nut.

                      -Charles

                      Comment

                      • levenge
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 8

                        • nashville,tn


                        #12
                        Nut, key and prop all in good shape. Checked for shaft rotation in neutral, nothing. Took it out for a drive and put about 1500# of ballast with no problems and no issues all weekend.

                        I am assuming I was over weighted as suggested. I will keep the weight down and if I have another issue, I will post back.

                        Thanks again for the feedback.

                        Cheers,
                        Geoff

                        Comment

                        • Fgroce
                          • Dec 2016
                          • 179

                          • Middle Georgia

                          • 2002 Ski Nautique

                          #13
                          Glad it is working for you, you could change the transmission fluid on more time to make sure all of the old fluid has been removed. It may or may not help, but you know it is real hard to get all of the fluid out of the transmissions. Enjoy the summer.

                          Comment

                          • Blamey
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Sep 2015
                            • 595

                            • New York

                            • 2009 SANTE 230 1996 Super Sport

                            #14
                            Didn't see it mentioned but make sure you are using non-synyhetic ATF in the trans.

                            Synthetic ATF can cause the transmission to slip.

                            Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X