HELP!! Steering Cable Replacement - large silver knob gets stuck in 97 Sport Nautique

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  • JimHughes
    • May 2011
    • 21

    • Thousand Oaks, CA

    • 1998 Sport Nautique

    HELP!! Steering Cable Replacement - large silver knob gets stuck in 97 Sport Nautique

    We spent 2 full days this weekend trying to replace the steering cable on our 1997 Sport Nautique / Air Nautique. It's the model with the built in ballast tanks. It was a bear getting to the rudder, but after disconnecting the fuel tank and ballast tanks, we were finally able to access it. Not easy. The BIG challenge where we are stuck is pulling out the old cable. The big silver knob gets stuck somewhere near the driver's seat. See picture A. The blue line shows the path of the cable and the red circled area is where we think it gets stuck. You'll see we even took out the driver's seat. Could there be a zip tie up there? I read that there's a zip tie near the helm. Since you can't reach in there, it makes it impossible to get the big silver knob past this area. Yes, we have tried pulling it and wiggling it from every angle for hours. The only way we can think to access it is by cutting a hole in the side of the ski locker. Hate to cut a hole, but is that the only way? If we have to cut a hole there, will it harm the boat? Hope you guys have ideas WITHOUT CUTTING HOLES!!

    In picture B, you'll see a top down view looking into the engine compartment before everything goes under the deck to the left of the driver's seat. In that space, there is the steering cable, throttle cable, shift cable, 2 tubes for the heater and some wires. The yellow rope is attached to the old steering cable. Is that more than other boats have going in there? Is it just too much stuff? We don't think it's the main issue but throwing out ideas.

    Picture C: when we pulled the end of the rudder out of the tube, it was difficult as the grease was very thick. One thought we had is maybe the old thick grease was making it difficult to turn. After being stuck for hours, we decided to try reconnecting the current steering cable. We cleaned all the old grease out of the tube and applied "E.P. Anti Seize Engine Assembly Lube with Molly & Graphite". The new grease was a bit easier to turn the steering wheel but not much. Are we using the right stuff? Is there a more slippery lube we should use? Perhaps we can skip this whole hellaciouis changing of the cable if we used the right lube?!? Probably dreaming here.

    I'd GREATLY appreciate all your thoughts and input. Feel free to call me on my cell: 805-558-4441. Jim Thanks!!
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  • charlesml3
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 2454

    • Lake Gaston, NC

    • 2022 G23

    #2
    First of all, if the cable is bad, it's bad. There's no greasing it back to life.

    Next, let's talk about getting the old cable through. Almost for sure, the heater lines were pulled through this cable tunnel after the steering cable was installed. You'll need to disconnect them from the heater core, tie a string to them and pull them back out. Once that's done, the old steering cable should come right through.

    Now, let's talk about getting the new cable back in. You'll be feeding it in from the front. You'll be tempted to tie the rope to the tiller arm end and start pulling. That actually won't work because as soon as you pull on the rope, the cable will slide to it's maximum length as the tiller arm end extends out of the sheathing. This will make that end so long that it can't make the turn. The trick is to push the tiller arm end in as far as it will go to "shorten" the overall length of the cable. Then one of you pushes from the helm end while your assistant gently guides it with some light pressure on the rope. Once you make the turn at the helm, you can pull it with the rope the rest of the way.

    -Charles

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    • JimHughes
      • May 2011
      • 21

      • Thousand Oaks, CA

      • 1998 Sport Nautique

      #3
      Charles,

      Smart idea about pulling out the heater lines. To make sure I get them back in, how do you suggest I tie ropes to them? I could tie a rope to the hose clamp and tighten that down....hope the clamp doesn't come off or the screw on the clamp get hung up. Is there another way?

      Question about Paragraph 2: are you suggesting that after I pull out the heater hoses (with ropes attached), then I cut the existing steering cable and pull it out? Then I use one of the heater hose ropes to pull the new steering cable in? Why wouldn't I pull the new cable from the back to the front.....understanding the challenge with extending the tiller arm? Do you think coming from the front will be easier?

      Also, how do I cut the existing steering cable? Will a jig saw with a metal blade work?

      Lastly, am I putting the right kind of grease on the tiller rod: "E.P. Anti Seize Engine Assembly Lube with Molly & Graphite"? Or is there a better grease?

      Many thanks for your input! I greatly appreciate it.

      Jim

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      • charlesml3
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 2454

        • Lake Gaston, NC

        • 2022 G23

        #4
        Originally posted by JimHughes View Post
        Charles,

        Smart idea about pulling out the heater lines. To make sure I get them back in, how do you suggest I tie ropes to them? I could tie a rope to the hose clamp and tighten that down....hope the clamp doesn't come off or the screw on the clamp get hung up. Is there another way?

        Question about Paragraph 2: are you suggesting that after I pull out the heater hoses (with ropes attached), then I cut the existing steering cable and pull it out? Then I use one of the heater hose ropes to pull the new steering cable in? Why wouldn't I pull the new cable from the back to the front.....understanding the challenge with extending the tiller arm? Do you think coming from the front will be easier?

        Also, how do I cut the existing steering cable? Will a jig saw with a metal blade work?

        Lastly, am I putting the right kind of grease on the tiller rod: "E.P. Anti Seize Engine Assembly Lube with Molly & Graphite"? Or is there a better grease?

        Many thanks for your input! I greatly appreciate it.

        Jim
        Hey Jim,

        Those heater hoses aren't difficult to deal with at all. For a pull string, start about 3 inches from the end and wrap the string around the hose 8 or 10 times. Then cover all of that with electrical tape and run the tape off the end of the pipe wrapping around the string. Don't use a hose clamp. The screw on the side will catch on things and make it harder to pull though. Do one hose at a time.

        You can certainly cut the old steering cable. That's what most shop mechanics do because it's much faster. Cut off the tiller end with an angle grinder or a saws-all and then use the same technique to secure a light rope to the end. Then pull that through to the helm, bringing the rope with it.

        Pull the new cable through from the helm end to the tiller end. This is the only way that will work. The helm end of the cable has that big rack part of the "rack & pinion* and it can't make the turn. Once you have the steering cable through, pull your heater hoses back through.

        Just as another FYI, see that clamp with the four bolts there in photo C? Do not loosen that clamp or take it apart. There's no need to. That clamp adjusts the rudder throw and you have to know what you're doing to adjust it properly.

        I'll PM you my cell number in case you run into anything.

        -Charles

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        • JimHughes
          • May 2011
          • 21

          • Thousand Oaks, CA

          • 1998 Sport Nautique

          #5
          Charles,

          Wish I had access to you yesterday! Love your ideas.

          I am a bit fearful to cut the existing steering cable in case I still can't get the silver nut on the new cable through. But maybe I'm just going to have to go for it!!

          Is the grease I'm using ok: "E.P. Anti Seize Engine Assembly Lube with Molly & Graphite"? Or is there a better grease?

          Please text me your cell phone number. Mine is 805-558-4441.

          Many thanks!
          Jim

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          • charlesml3
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 2454

            • Lake Gaston, NC

            • 2022 G23

            #6
            Hey Jim,

            Yea, that grease will do fine. The cable actually comes from the factory pre-greased so adding more won't hurt, but it really isn't necessary.

            I'll send you a txt.

            -Charles

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