New Owner 99' SAN 210

[dbills]

Recently purchased this boat and it needs a ton of work. I can not seem to find the right engine for it though. Does it need the Pro Boss GT-40? Or is there another option that would work? I found a 5.8l Ford 351 that could be purchased with the GT-40 heads. Is this what I need? Thank you for the time, a little over my head right now.

[charlesml3]

The Pro Boss GT-40 would have been the right engine for that boat. Are they really impossible to find anymore?

The 5.8L Ford 351 was the "guts" of the GT-40, but there's more to it than that. There's the raw water pump, different intake, different ECM, Fuel Control Cell, etc.

-Charles

[a0128]

So you bought a boat without a motor?!!? Did it come with a transmission?

First - let's clarify terminology. All HO (high output) 351w's made by PCM (1992-2002) featured GT40 heads and were given the moniker of "Pro Boss". This includes the carb'd version, TBI version and Multiport version. Only the Multiport was given the moniker of "GT40" in addition to the "Pro Boss" moniker. In other words, a GT40 is a Pro Boss, but not all Pro Bosses are GT40's. The multiport GT40 versions made 310hp. The TBI versions made 300hp and the carb'd versions made 280hp.

Second - you just can't source an automotive 351w and drop it into your hull. As Charles posted, there are differences in intake and exhaust manifolds, alternator, cooling and fuel delivery, ECM and possibly oil pan and pickup configuration. Marine engines of the era did not have any pollution controls that their automotive counterparts did. Marine engines also had brass freeze plugs. You can find used GT40's but they are usually damaged in some way (i.e. cracked block, etc). However . . . this would give you an avenue to replace the block and then transfer all the components from the damaged engine.

Third - yes, you are in over your head, but there is lots of information available if you are willing to do your research.

[dbills]

So I am the President of the Baylor Wake team and the SAN was the old team boat. We bought it to try and bring it back to life. The motor is rusted through and needs replacing and I believe the transmission is shot as well. I believe the boat has over 4 figure hours so the transmission probably needs replacing by now anyway.

http://www.michiganmotorz.com/ford-3...ed-p-3539.html This is the motor we plan to use with the GT-40 heads option. In theory if we bought this engine we would be able to transfer the non damaged components from the engine currently in the boat, and have a working engine correct?

[functionoverfashion]

Are you planning to swap over all the components yourself or with some mechanical friends? I'm asking because that base engine you linked to is a long way from a running engine, I'd be worried about spending $3k plus a ton of time, only to find individual components from the old engine to be faulty/problematic. If you got the boat cheap enough, I'd be tempted by a completely new engine from PCM or something. There's a lot to "dressing" that engine, is all I'm really saying.

http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/for...20hp--9800-shi

[a0128]

http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/for...20hp--9800-shi

Probably more appropriate for a 1966 Mustang fastback resto-mod project than the OP's project.

[a0128]

. . . and have a working engine correct?

In theory - yes. However you have a long way to go. If the engine is rusted through I am assuming it was exposed to the elements and therefore the accessory components are probably bad too. It would take someone experienced with PCM engines to evaluate each component for viability. Likely you are going to need to replace a majority of the accessories. The transmission is another story altogether. You will need to evaluate both the transmission and the v-drive unit. I would contact Fantastic Finish Marine and discuss your transmission situation with them.

Fantastic Finish Marine
Phone: 330-273-8291
355 Lake Road
Medina, Ohio 44256

Do you have a budget for this project?

[dbills]

Budget is around $16k all in. Paid $3,500 for the boat and a complete set of new interior skins and probably $1-2,000 for audio equipment.

The plan is to do as much work as possible ourselves, then let a shop handle the rest. I am mechanically savvy with cars but have not yet worked on a boat.

Attached are some pictures of how she sits right now. It's a sad sight:

[a0128]

Sad for sure, but the satisfaction in restoring something like this is immeasurable. That interior is a hot mess. Looks like you are going to need new seat and combing pad foam as well. Christine's Marine would be a good source for that (assuming you didn't know that already). With new skins that interior will look sharp.

I see it has PerfectPass. Hopefully it is still functional. If not you can contact them and (as I understand it) they can repair it.

PerfectPass Control Systems Inc.
14 Trider Crescent
Burnside Industrial Park
Dartmouth, NS
Canada B3B 1R6
(902) 468-2150

It may be outside your budget, but replacing the carpet with SeaDeck is a nice upgrade (I would do yours in gray). A user on this forum did it and it turned out great. You might be able to contact him and get a copy of his templates. He also had a 1999 SAN. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum...ll-on-1999-san

At least you have a trailer. Don't overlook the wheel bearings and brakes. I am guessing they will need servicing as well.

Interesting graphics. Yours looks to be from the DD Air Nautique. I suppose the original owner could have ordered it that way. The 1999 SAN graphics looked like this. Unfortunately they are not available any more. Too bad because they look very cool. Lucky too you have the 2nd generation of the flight control tower (FCT1). Much better looking than the original version. More functional too.



Do you know if you have the hard built-in ballast tanks?

Good luck. Keep us posted with plenty of pictures.

[a0128]

Since you have to take the motor out anyway, why not strip it down and see what you have to work with. Assuming the block doesn't have any cracks (from freezing) you might be able to get away with having a machine shop hone the cylinder walls, re-ring the pistons and install new bearings (crank and con rod) and brass freeze plugs. Magnaflux the heads for cracks, grind the valves and replace the springs. Check the cam and lifters for wear and flat spots. It's a flat tappet cam so unless the previous owner used a motor oil with high zinc content the cam (and lifters) may need replacing. Might be less money than the almost $3000 you would spend on the Michigan motor and you keep your GT40 heads.

Nothing in this link will help with the rebuild, however the manual is for your GT40 and is good reference.

http://www.correctcraftfan.com/Downl..._1995-2001.pdf

[Blamey]

Try talking to Florida Inboards, They do a lot of GT40 swaps (skiers upgrading to new engines that have zero off) and will sometimes have the a used engine in stock.

[functionoverfashion]

Probably more appropriate for a 1966 Mustang fastback resto-mod project than the OP's project.

Ha! Absolutely - more of a joke than anything. Sick looking engine, though. Probably wouldn't even clear the rear hatch cover.

[dbills]

Finally was able to get it to a Nautique shop in Dallas. They are going to start tearing into it on Monday, hopefully good news coming!

[TRIP]

I think I've also seen one where they had put an Excalibur engine in. Makes sense 'cause if I'm correct these boats had that engine from 2003-2006 (might be off on the years there). Might be an option if you do need a new engine and you can't find a GT-40.
Cool project, hope you can bring it back to life again!

[Blamey]

Someone just posted a GT40 on Correct Craft Fan

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