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  • Mikeski
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Jul 2003
    • 2908

    • San Francisco, CA

    • Current 2005 SV 211, due for upgrade! GS22 or GS24 perhaps? Previous

    Tips for 2006 ballast systems

    Last week I had the pleasure of skiing with some friends behind their new 2006 Team 216 up at Lake Shuswap near Kamloops about 3 hours northeast of Vancouver BC, Canada. The boat had only 3.5 hours on the clock when I arrived, they had only had it out once, so we might as well consider it the maiden voyage. In the past I have expressed my dissatisfaction with Correct Craft's choice to use impeller pumps in the 2006 ballast systems. I may have been a bit too quick to judge.

    This team edition boat was equipped with the Port and Starboard rear ballast tanks complete with helm gauges and electronic controls from the dashpod. The system worked fine the first day but one gauge quit working and they would not empty on day two. As a Planet Nautique regular I had expected to have these issues since I have read where others have had these troubles. Before my buddy became too irritated with his new boat, I had located the gauge wires that had pulled loose at their connections and the blown fuse. A quick call to the dealer confirmed my plan to fix the issues.

    It seems that the fuses near the pumps blow before the circuit breakers at the helm, possibly a design oversight. So, to fix the problem we replaced the fuses at the rear of the boat with larger fuses as recommended by the dealer, the blown 20A AGC fuses came out and new 30A fuses went in (if the boat was not 1100 miles from my home I would have tried 25A fuses first). The dealer said that the circuit breakers should protect the wiring so the upsize fuses should be OK. Next, I replaced the poorly attached factory quick disconnects with some blue bullet quick disconnects sourced from the local auto parts store. The system was back up and running.

    The new systems have a run-dry protection feature that shuts off the pumps when the gauge reads empty. This is good as long as it's correctly calibrated. It appeared that this 216's port tank was operating as designed. The Starboard tank seemed to be empty before the gauge read empty thus eliminating this run-dry feature. This feature can also prevent the tanks from emptying if a gauge wire comes loose.

    After a few more days I learned to like the new ballast system, it seemed to operate quite well. It was nice just dealing with switches instead of valves and switches as I do on my 2005. Would I convert my boat over to the new system? No. But I don't think it's worth converting the new systems back to aerator pumps either. Both systems have their advantages/dis-advantages but I would say they are equal once you make a the few tweaks required.

    Tips for operating 2006 ballast systems:
    DO - become familiar with the fuse location at the pumps
    DO - keep spare fuses on board
    DO - check the gauge wiring for lose connections by pulling on the wires at the plugs
    DO - start the engine to raise the voltage (reduce the amperage) before running the pumps
    DO - watch the gauges when emptying the tanks/become familiar with thier reading and when the tanks are truly empty
    DO- learn to listen to the pumps when they SOUND like they are running out of water (emptying tanks)

    DO NOT - start all pumps at the same moment (wait a few seconds then start the second/third pumps)
    DO NOT - run the pumps with the engine off
    DO NOT - allow the pumps to run dry

    Ideally you could ignore all these tips and have your system operate correctly but it's likely you will experience a failure at sometime somewhere in the system. Unfortunately these systems are still not perfected so these few guidelines may help to keep you enjoying your boat on the water and less time at the dealer or wrenching on it yourself.
  • imported_pjdave
    • Jan 2004
    • 90

    • brisbane australia


    #2
    RE: Tips for 2006 ballast systems

    another tip i have is:
    Make sure you run the pumps in the direction you last ran then for a second or so. The pumps vains "stick" to the housing. this and the fact that they are trying to flip over and turn the opposite direction will blow the curcuit breakers. Running the pump first will un stick the impeller. As above always good to run the engine to up the voltage and turn each pump on one at a time in an interval.

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    • radmaster
      • May 2005
      • 76



      #3
      RE: Tips for 2006 ballast systems

      The Fuses at the back blow first because they are the ones protecting the pumps. When you have locked rotor you have large amounts of current through the pump (typically 7-8x full load current), hence this blows the fuse/trips the circuit breaker, the 30A fuse will still blow in the case of locked rotor. The fuses at the helm are there to protect the coil in the relay. This is not a design oversight. The reason the fuses/circuit breakers are located at the rear of the boat is to keep the distance of cable from the battery to the pumps as short as possible to minimize the volt drop.

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      • Laptom
        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
        • Oct 2003
        • 876

        • Eindhoven, Netherlands


        #4
        RE: Tips for 2006 ballast systems

        They should make the empty ports out of the side (and for each pump seperate empty hole). In that way you can see and hear the ballast draining and see when they are empty.
        All the other things you mentioning sounds good!
        230 with ZR6 running on propane

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        • Mikeski
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Jul 2003
          • 2908

          • San Francisco, CA

          • Current 2005 SV 211, due for upgrade! GS22 or GS24 perhaps? Previous

          #5
          RE: Tips for 2006 ballast systems

          Radmaster,

          Maybe not a design oversight, maybe just a poor choice in location. On the 216 it's up under the gunnel right next to the fuel fill (not a good location for an arcing device either).

          Are you sure the pump power wiring comes directly from the battery? The dealer was under the impression that it came from the main harness at the front of the boat (this is a 216 direct drive - battery in front). I have seen the rear circuit panel on the new V-drives but it does not exist on the 216. It seems that you would want the overcurrent protection device near the power source which in this case is closer to the helm.

          As I have said before Correct Craft build the best hull in the industry... the electrical and plumbing systems are not their strong points.

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          • Puckhead
            • Aug 2004
            • 53

            • Austin, Texas

            • 1998 Air Nautique 2006 201 SANTE

            #6
            This is good stuff... Thanks for posting this.

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            • EarlyRiser
              • Nov 2005
              • 171

              • United States of America


              #7
              I wonder if they thought of either "overriding" the run/dry component or removing it. Based upon what Mikeski said, a problem can occur that in this wiring setup will prevent the system from filling/emptying (ie. gauge connection; maybe another connection). This seems rather unusual. Without the r/d, the system should still function & you could use the ballast; getting the connection, gauge, or whatever fixed later.
              (now I have a headache)

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              • Mikeski
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Jul 2003
                • 2908

                • San Francisco, CA

                • Current 2005 SV 211, due for upgrade! GS22 or GS24 perhaps? Previous

                #8
                If you have access to the ballast gauge connections like the 216 does under the panels in the locker storage then it's easy to put a jumper on the gauge sender causing it to read full thus bypassing the gauge-empty run dry protection. The gauge senders on a v-drive belly tank may be more difficult, I thing you can access the 211's through the locker, but not a 210's unless you pull the floorboard.

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                • boardnman
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 7

                  • Richmond, VA


                  #9
                  I just purchased an 06 210 and the belly tank stopped working on the second day. Few weeks later the Starboard went out. Now the Port is slowly dindling down. Where are the back two pumps found. as i was looking to follw the wires to see if it jiggled loose. Or is there a way to tell if it is the impeller that has gone bad? Thanks as of right now i am trailering 1100 LBS of lead weight in the boat and 850 Lbs of Water. im sure that cant be good on the trailer.

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                  • 06210rider
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 51



                    #10
                    Hey guys Im new to the site. I took my 06 210 into the dealer with similar problems. They have a new fix that actually bypasses the rundry. It doesnt shut off automatically when the tank reads empyt, you just have to watch the guages and shut them off.............personally I did this in the first place so no change for me accept a dependable ballast system.

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                    • YoungLifeSkiMission
                      • May 2006
                      • 70

                      • Sydney,Australia


                      #11
                      There is obviously a problem with these tanks..our new 210's belly tank didn't empty, its in at the dealer now. We are lucky it was only the one that didn't empty, otherwise I wouldn't be keen towing with full tanks!
                      We have a great dealer,he will sort it all out.
                      2006 210
                      www.skimission.com.au

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                      • radmaster
                        • May 2005
                        • 76



                        #12
                        Yeah we've had dramas with our white can.. This is the thing that sits in behind the ballast gauges and is basically a comparator. All it does is compare the impedence from the ballast sensor and if its below a certain value then the pump is enabled by completing the circuit on the coil of the relay by connecting it to ground. If you want to bypass this white can and do what 06210rider did all you need to do is remove the white can and short out pins 4,5 & 8 on the orange plug to ground (ie pin 7). See diagram below.

                        Laptom: I quite like having the ballast empty under the boat, as if you've got a relative beginner out the back obviously not benefitting from the big wake you can empty the ballast without them cracking the ****s.

                        Mikeski: Sorry I was only talking about experience from my 210 I was not aware the 216 had the battery up the front. Also i've set up a jumper lead that has two alligator clips on one end and a plug that plugs into the pump on the other. That way if one of the relays or the comparitor dies whilst on the lake you can just unplug the rest of the circuit and empty the tank before loading it onto the trailer.

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                        • EarlyRiser
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 171

                          • United States of America


                          #13
                          06210rider, any idea what has to be done? It must be a degree of re-wiring vs cutting-splicing. ER

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                          • radmaster
                            • May 2005
                            • 76



                            #14
                            We used solder wire and just plugged it into the plug Into the pins mentioned above. Worked like a treat.

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                            • avizer
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 15

                              • Orlando


                              #15
                              i have same problems on my 06 210TE. taking the boat to the shop tommorow.
                              has anyone noticed that the pumps will stop working after running the boat for an hour or so? is it possible that the heat from the engine causes a problem to the ballast system?

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