replacing linc screen

[robertsmcfarland]

just wondering where people are getting their best deal when replacing their linc screen when out of warranty, not talking about taking to dealer to replace...

[Nautiquehunter]

What happened ? I heard they are about 4k?

[robertsmcfarland]

about a year ago, lines started to appear and certain areas on screen were getting lite,, talk with david at white lake and he said since it was the screen not the computer stuff, it could not be fix....finally it went dark .if you know what buttons to push everything works fine just can not see any thing,happen while picking someone up from wake boarding, had full ballast so got manual out and look at pictures to empty ballast and go back to dock...

[bturner]

Yikes. When I was looking for my boat I started looking for boats with Linc. Since I was buying used I started to get a bit nervous about buying anything with a display and changed direction by eliminating anything with a display. From what I've seen failures would appear rare but when they do happen, it ain't cheap to fix. Seems like there's going to be a real opportunity for someone if they can figure out a way to replace/repair these screens not just for Nautique but for all manufactures and everyone is going this direction.

I'd like to get a hold of a couple of these and see if there's anyway to reverse engineer a replacement panel. I've replaced several laptop display panels for friends and even got a free laptop from someone that had a bad screen that I was able to replace for about $75 so this is a very "doable" repair. From what I've seen there are generic replacement panels out there and most use a common interface. I'd find it hard to believe that Medallion or whoever is having these panels custom manufactured just for them. I bet there's a manufacture's name on them somewhere with a part number and if you have that you could probably run them down on the inter web. I found this 10" display on Amazon that I bet would be close.....

https://www.amazon.com/LCDOLED-Compa.../dp/B01GCGEB64

Not saying this is it but there are panels out there or maybe one close enough to convert. There was also a link on one of the ones that I was looking at that the company had a help number you could call to assistance identifying the panel you needed.

[robertsmcfarland]

I was hoping this was the case but Nautique is saying the screen its self is not replaceable or repairable, they have a place where they send the linc, to get repaired but says the screen itself is not replaceable or fixable because of its built..trust me I have tried for a year, while I could still could read the screen to fine a solution with out buying a new one..but would be nice if nautique was wrong and their was just a screen replacement and not the internal works....

[shag]

This is why I think they should at least have back up gauges somewhere.. Even if they are located in a compartment somewhere out of the way... At least you'd have a back up when that fails... They started doing the screens about 10 years ago and I would hope by now that they have them all figured out... But I still hear of people having problems with them...

[bturner]

Anything man makes can and will break eventually. As far as repair goes.......

If they're sending them somewhere to be repaired that means someone is repairing them, which in terns means there's repair components available for them, right? Unless they've discovered some way of creating components through mind control they have to be buying said components from someone. Now how difficult it is to repair or expensive the parts are well, that's another question but any "closed loop" repair service is just a license to print money for someone.

Take cell phone screen replacement for example. For years you couldn't get a screen replaced if you wanted to. If you broke your screen you bought a new phone. Then magically they were able to send them away and for 3/4 the price of a new phone you could get them repaired. Now you can go to the mall and get one replaced for about $100. I believe this is the same scenario that you're seeing being played out here. It's $4K to replace because they can charge whatever they want for one.

Another example would be the laptop I replace the panel on. HP wanted about ~$500 to fix it. I bought the panel on line for $75 and replaced it myself. Add the "marine" value add tax multiplier that is added to anything that says marine on it and you have a panel that costs maybe $200 going out the door for a grand and the repaired item being sold for $2K. New is twice the cost of repaired for $4K. I know this is a somewhat jaded view but this is what happens with a closed market. Don't believe me? Every get an estimate for fixing an Apple computer versus an Intel based system. The cost difference is amazing. But then again the guys fixing the Intel based machines don't have the title Genius attached them them.....

[robertsmcfarland]

all understood..thats why I started this thread hoping someone by now would have found the needle in the hay stack...

[bturner]

Well if we get a broke on that someone wants to send me I'd be willing to pull it apart and see if I can't run something down.

[Skidave]

I used to work for a major medical equipment manufacturer. I could see all the pricing for our parts. Here is a real example: A $7K customer part would cost the manufacturer $850. The customer paid the full price unless they had a service contract. Once a CT scanner cracked a tube. Not covered under warranty and not part of the service contract (due to the way it was damaged). The bill was $250K. That's nothing in the medical field. Go quench a MRI magnet..and pay, pay, pay.

I repair electronics. Some vendor makes the display and some other vendor engineered the electronics. Then a third vendor puts it all together. It's a matter of finding who makes the display. It is very possible there is no part # on the display and it is custom made for this application and no other. OR, it will be an off the shelf display used by many in various applications.

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[scottb7]

I am pretty sure all the nautique stuff is made by https://www.enovationcontrols.com/brands

https://www.enovationcontrols.com/ne...-correct-craft

They somehow own zero off and make the pdm's in our boats and the displays.

https://www.enovationcontrols.com/products/displays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ65...ature=emb_logo

https://www.enovationcontrols.com/pr...an-i-o-modules

https://www.enovationcontrols.com/di...tactile-button

https://www.enovationcontrols.com/displays/glass-front

[robertsmcfarland]

thanks!! start calling tomorrow ...see if I can up with some directions ,I can not be the only nautique owner with a broken linc screen out of warranty ..

[Nautiquehunter]

My biggest fear is the high tech electronics and non redundant systems will cause these boats to be worthless especially after the manufactures no longer supplies parts for them. Go by any German auto repair shop you will see a ton of high end cars that will cost more to repair than there are worth. I think all the brands have beer pushed by the demand for useless razzle dazzle that not only drives the sales price up but will in time make them unrepairable . The way they are going they are truly a hole in the water you throw money in.

[shag]

I feel it should be an option, not a standard equip.

[bturner]

My biggest fear is the high tech electronics and non redundant systems will cause these boats to be worthless especially after the manufactures no longer supplies parts for them. Go by any German auto repair shop you will see a ton of high end cars that will cost more to repair than there are worth. I think all the brands have beer pushed by the demand for useless razzle dazzle that not only drives the sales price up but will in time make them unrepairable . The way they are going they are truly a hole in the water you throw money in.

What's driving the move to automation and electronics is a desire for manufactures to expand the market so that any moron can operate a surf boat. A quick look at added features or features in development tells the story......

• Don't know or are are not willing to learn how to drive your new boat..... that's OK we'll throw on a set of $10K thrusters and a $10K steering system to compensate for your lack of skills.
• Don't understand how or are unwilling to learn how to set up your boat to surf.... that's OK we'll develop a $10K system to put on every boat to cover your lack of skills to do so.
• Don't understand how or are unwilling to learn how to lower your tower.... that's OK we'll develop a $15K power tower to cover you inability to learn how to do so.

It used to be that you had to have an understanding of boating to be on the water and to operate a boat properly. If you wanted to do any water sports past tubing there were things you needed to learn how to do to extract the best experience. What all these screens and electronics do is allow someone with virtually no skill or understanding of boating to get in and drive. Now moms or dads that have no interest in driving boats or boating can jump in their 25' $150K surf boat and pull the kids around the lake with the boat doing the thinking and work for them. True boating idiots looking like pro's through the wonder of electronics. First owners of these boats really don't care about maintenance or repair as 3 - 5 year bow to stern warranties have been built into the initial cost of the boat which probably adds about $10K - $15K to the initial cost and will cover everything a low skill boater will break during that period. When the warranty runs out they'll just trade the boat in or get out of boating altogether. While this is a high cost solution for the average boater, take a look at income demographic of who's buying these boats. This target group doesn't mind the added cost as long as it makes the experience easy and all worries about maintenance and repair are covered, the easy button so to speak.

As to repair-ability..... I do believe with any broken system there is an opportunity. In this case I can see where a specialty market or service sector business opportunity exists. Just as with the retro fit gauge packages from those early 2000s Nautiques were developed I believe you'll see similar solutions develop for these as well. As I posted above if I'm capable of repairing computers I'm certain of doing the same with these systems as well. The key and challenge will be to find the suppliers that are making the components and establishing channel for those repair parts.