HELP!! Engine no start, throws check light with no cranking (07 model 206 with ZR6)

[SilentSeven]

It sounds like you may have more than one problem. Here's what I'd do it it was my boat.

1 - to isolate your 'no start' problem, get a 4 foot wire with couple alligator clips. Clip one the 12v pole on the battery and touch the other end to the 12v relay pole on the starter. Starter should spin. If it doesn't, you have a relay problem. If does, then the problem is upstream in the wiring and you'll just have to work backwards until you find the bad component. I tried to follow what did above but it wasn't clear to me....you need to put 12v on the switch side of the relay to test it.

2 - you said when the starter spins, it's not engaging (ie - cranking the engine over). This is either a problem with starter or the ring gear. If you can, use a socket and breaker bar to roll the engine 30 degrees or so to get a new spot on the flywheel...try cranking again. If this time it goes, you have a chipped ring gear. If it still spins but doesn't engage, you should pull the starter and inspect the engagement mechanism...you'll likely need a new starter.

[Donbayers]

It sounds like you may have more than one problem. Here's what I'd do it it was my boat.

1 - to isolate your 'no start' problem, get a 4 foot wire with couple alligator clips. Clip one the 12v pole on the battery and touch the other end to the 12v relay pole on the starter. Starter should spin. If it doesn't, you have a relay problem. If does, then the problem is upstream in the wiring and you'll just have to work backwards until you find the bad component. I tried to follow what did above but it wasn't clear to me....you need to put 12v on the switch side of the relay to test it.

2 - you said when the starter spins, it's not engaging (ie - cranking the engine over). This is either a problem with starter or the ring gear. If you can, use a socket and breaker bar to roll the engine 30 degrees or so to get a new spot on the flywheel...try cranking again. If this time it goes, you have a chipped ring gear. If it still spins but doesn't engage, you should pull the starter and inspect the engagement mechanism...you'll likely need a new starter.

OK, Thanks for the post and the idea



I ran a jumper wire from starter relay (small post/wire) directly to batt. When I touched it the engine instantly cranked. Which means I have no issue with starter or electrical connection. So no issue with your number 2 above.

One less thing....

So, I’ve got something upstream going on that is blocking the engine from cranking. A safety or a bad panel. I’ll start with the safety on tranny and in the control.

Can any help with a way to test the tranny neutral switch with a volt meter and what about the switch inside the throttle/shift lever??? I can't image the panel is the problem

Thank all

[SilentSeven]

Progress! !

At least you now can start working in the right direction. Best case is you locate the wiring schematic for the starting circuit and start to isolate each component. The usual suspects are already suggested - the kill switch and the neutral lockout switch. I bet if you search a bit, you can find instructions on where they are located and how to jump each switch. I don't know this boat so I can't suggest any particulars. (Full confession - I once got my a** towed back to the dock because my boat wouldn't start. I had checked EVERYTHING...I thought. Turned out the throttle was pushed forward just enough to lockout the ignition...boy was I embarrassed. Lesson - sometime it's the dumb stuff that gets' you)

Here's a good question - can you get the dash / boat to power on via the keypad? By this I mean you turn the toggle switch on, enter the ignition code and touch the start button. The accessories/radio/etc should power on. If this works, then I think you most likely have a switch problem. If not, then it's maybe a keypad problem...but I've never had to debug the keypad so this may not be 100% right.

Also, here's another question - has any work been done on the boat lately? The kind of work that might have either pulled or cut a wire? Dash/stereo work or some engine work around the transmission? Someone may have oops-ed something causing the problems.....

[Donbayers]

Progress! !

At least you now can start working in the right direction. Best case is you locate the wiring schematic for the starting circuit and start to isolate each component. The usual suspects are already suggested - the kill switch and the neutral lockout switch. I bet if you search a bit, you can find instructions on where they are located and how to jump each switch. I don't know this boat so I can't suggest any particulars. (Full confession - I once got my a** towed back to the dock because my boat wouldn't start. I had checked EVERYTHING...I thought. Turned out the throttle was pushed forward just enough to lockout the ignition...boy was I embarrassed. Lesson - sometime it's the dumb stuff that gets' you)

Here's a good question - can you get the dash / boat to power on via the keypad? By this I mean you turn the toggle switch on, enter the ignition code and touch the start button. The accessories/radio/etc should power on. If this works, then I think you most likely have a switch problem. If not, then it's maybe a keypad problem...but I've never had to debug the keypad so this may not be 100% right.

Also, here's another question - has any work been done on the boat lately? The kind of work that might have either pulled or cut a wire? Dash/stereo work or some engine work around the transmission? Someone may have oops-ed something causing the problems.....

Thanks;

OK, when I enter the start code on the pad everything lights up and works. The entire boat is powered on and all seems to function. Only thing is when I hit the start button again.....nothing to the starter (no crank, not a sound)

Also, in my first post I ran down the particulars. I pulled it out of the garage, installed a new batt, it started right up as normal, warmed up the engine, changed oil and filter....then when attempting to restart, NOTHING to the starter.

I'll start down the road of finding the wiring diagram and testing each system

Best

PS. This boat came from your area (Fox Island) and was a one-owner serviced by Pacific Nautique since new.

[Donbayers]

[SilentSeven]

ha! Small world...I looked at that boat...even took it for a test drive. Really liked it but the owner and I couldn't quite reach an arrangement. Ended up with my 2004. Funny too as he had it listed as a 2006 but it's really a 2007 - has the new gauges and the Zero Off. Never told him that...did he figure it out?

He said he had someone from Vegas coming up to look at it...uh...and here we are. Proof below

My guess - It's something simple with the kill switch or the neutral lockout. If these boats are like my 1997, the reverse lockout is a switch on the tranny. Should be an easy test with a multimeter. You might be able to jump it by connecting the two leads as I think the switch closes in neutral.

The kill switch..I'll probably pull it, check the contacts with the meter and maybe blast it with an electrical contact cleaner in the hope it's just stuck.

[Donbayers]

OK, update;

Using a multimeter I tested the circuit of the transmission neutral safety switch. In gear, forward or reverse it is an "open" circuit. When in neutral is becomes a "closed" circuit.

So this part of the system is functioning correctly and I have now eliminated all aspects of the starter, wiring connections, and tranny safety switch.

This leads me to the actual throttle lever control. I'm still unclear if there is an actual safety here that could be the problem. I've found nothing about this in my owners manual

Can anyone confirm what is there and how to tear into it if that's the next step???

Thanks all for any help

Don

[scottb7]

i could be wrong...it happens once a year...but i thought it was just neutral safety (where you tested) and lanyard.... So I would NOT think you would have to deal with the handle...

[Lakejackson]

I think the switch on the trans is the only one. I thought it was in the shift mechanism, but I think I was wrong. Hopefully someone else can confirm.


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[Donbayers]

OK, here is an update.

I've tested the neutral safety switch on the tranny several more times. It is working properly. Then I checked the lanyard pull switch. It is also working fine.

On to the panel. When I push the start button I hear a faint clicking sound coming from down inside the fuse box. I pulled the keypad out to check it over. Everything on it appears to be working and again, when I hit the start button repeatedly it makes a click sound down in the fuse panel.

So I pulled the panel out and apart. In checking the start fuse...it's fine. I can't figure out exactly where the clicking is coming from i.e. which little black box thing. It would appear that you can't work on this part at all.

So guys....what is my problem here. Is there something wrong with the keypad that would cause the fuse box to just click and not send power to the starter or is the keypad fine and the fuse box has taken a dump. It's bizarre because neither item shows any damage or corrosion etc.

What do I do now?

HELP!!!

[Donbayers]

PS, I might add that the starter/run fuse was never tripped or did anything unusual.

Hoping that someone can help. Maybe I'm the lucky "one" person that this has happened to....grrrr

[Donbayers]

Update;

I sent in both the key pad and the PME fuse box to Nautique Parts. They tested the units for free (a major hats off and thank you) and reported nothing wrong with them. The units are being shipped back.

This is crazy, what am I missing here?

Anyone have a clue?

Regards

[Chrisrog]

Does this boat have the master switch / bilge switch? I fried mine and it was still passing voltage (although reduced).

[Donbayers]

Does this boat have the master switch / bilge switch? I fried mine and it was still passing voltage (although reduced).

Yes it does. I switch it to on and everything seems to power up as normal. blower, pumps, lights, stereo etc all work

[Chrisrog]

Are you losing any voltage across the switch?

Anyone on the list have experience chasing grounding issues? I had an old Jag that acted like this because the ground strap between the motor and the frame worked loose. I don't know enough about these boats to suggest how to troubleshoot grounding issues. Obviously check whatever ground connections you can find on the motor and the circuit box.