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  • jojo
    • May 2020
    • 14

    • MI

    • 2014 SAN210

    What prop is this on my 2014 SAN210?

    This is the current prop on my (relatively new to me) 2014 SAN210 that unfortunately needs replaced. The prop is stamped "S715" and "13x1425" as shown in the pics below. I like the performance of this prop so far for our type of use so I am looking for something similar but a search for S715 or 13x14.25 didn't result in much of anything. Wondering if anyone knows what prop this is and/or what the best replacement would be?

    Thanks!

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  • XBIGPUN66
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Oct 2012
    • 456

    • WI

    • 2014 SAN 210 TE. NSS. Pro ballast.

    #2
    We have the acme 1579 and it comes out of the hole fully loaded great. Nice for surf.

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    Ian S
    2014 SANTE. NSS. Pro balllast. Boatmate trailer
    2004 SANTE. 4000 lb ballast, 2013 graphics (prev). Ramlin trailer
    2009 Moomba Outback (prev). Boatmate trailer

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    • jojo
      • May 2020
      • 14

      • MI

      • 2014 SAN210

      #3
      Originally posted by XBIGPUN66 View Post
      We have the acme 1579 and it comes out of the hole fully loaded great. Nice for surf.

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      After doing a little more research, I believe the 1579 is the stock prop on the 2014 210's? Are you running just the stock pro-ballast for weight? The 1579 at 13.5x14.25 sounds like it would be very similar to what I have currently and I also am running just stock pro ballast weight. I do, however, plan to add more weight before next season (aiming for 2500lbs+) and most seem to recommend going to the 1433 at 14x14.25 or 1617 at 14x13.75 for better launch performance so I'm wondering if I would regret not doing that now?

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      • SilentSeven
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Feb 2014
        • 1843

        • Bellevue WA

        • 2004 Nautique 206

        #4
        That second pic....is that a crack in the prop hub?
        2004 206 Air Nautique Limited - Black with Vapor Blue (family style)
        1997 Masters Edition Nautique - Zephyr Green - gone (amazing ski wake)
        1982 Mastercraft Powerslot - gone (a primitive but wonderful beast)
        Bellevue WA

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        • jojo
          • May 2020
          • 14

          • MI

          • 2014 SAN210

          #5
          Originally posted by SilentSeven View Post
          That second pic....is that a crack in the prop hub?
          Good catch but I don't think so as I took a look at the original full resolution pics and it looks like just a little "string" of weeds. Especially as I now think this prop is just a random part a previous owner must have got a hold of as a cheap/easy replacement, I don't plan to repair it once I get a new one so it probably doesn't matter either way

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          • jondavis08
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • May 2016
            • 369

            • Battle Creek, MI

            • 2014 SANTE 210 2003 SANTE 210-Sold

            #6
            1617 had been a great upgrade for me. I have my 2014 slammed and can get out of the hole.

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            • MTRBTR
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • May 2012
              • 485

              • MT


              #7
              You have an old OJ prop. You could call both OJ or Acme and they could get you a prop based on how you use your boat and I guarantee you will be blown away compared to that old prop you have now.
              2006 SV 211 (Sold)
              97 Sport Nautique (Sold)
              89 PS 190 (Sold)
              05 Fourwinns Horizon 180 (Sold)
              89 Fourwinns 170 Freedom (Sold)
              75 MFG (Sold)

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              • swatguy
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • May 2008
                • 1631

                • Midwest/ Northern IL

                • 2008 SANTE 210

                #8
                I don’t believe that’s an OJ prop either. If it is it may be an older pre CNC version. Might be a Michigan Wheel. That thing looks trashed tho.

                That prop is stamped 13 X 14.25. Very similar to the “ team prop “ that came on the boats which was 1579 13.5 x14.25 later renamed the 1619 . It’s ok if you’re running stock. Just a touch over.in any event not an optimal wakesport prop at all for your boat.



                there have been many refinements of props over the years for the 210. I have tested extensively on my 08 210 with the 343. The 210 is limited by prop diameter. Some have gotten away with using the acme 1235 14.5 X14.25 . It’s the best wakesurf, wakeboard prop for the boat , but it has caused prop burn to the Hull in cases because there is not enough gap.


                The newest latest and greatest heavily loaded prop for that boat is the Acme 2571. It’s a 14 X 12. Hands down the best wakeboard holeshot you can get on that boat if you’re loaded up to the max. I run just touch under 3k.

                The 1617 was the previous best til the 2571. The 1617 was 14 X 13.75. Was big upgrade from 1279, loved it but always thought I needed but more ummf. Hence Acme marking the 2571.

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                • jondavis08
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • May 2016
                  • 369

                  • Battle Creek, MI

                  • 2014 SANTE 210 2003 SANTE 210-Sold

                  #9
                  Interesting Swat, I did not know there was an upgrade.. I may have to try it out!

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                  • swatguy
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 1631

                    • Midwest/ Northern IL

                    • 2008 SANTE 210

                    #10
                    That 2571 will change the boat completely if you wakeboard heavily loaded. It will half the length of holeshot to get to wake speed over the 1617. Well at least the weight config I run . I recently lost a battle with a giant piece of concrete , had to throw the 1617 back on there.

                    if someone just surfs i would t say it’s worth the upgrade over the 1617, but if you wakeboard , it’s worth every penny IMOH.
                    Last edited by swatguy; 09-13-2021, 10:54 PM.

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                    • jojo
                      • May 2020
                      • 14

                      • MI

                      • 2014 SAN210

                      #11
                      Originally posted by swatguy View Post
                      That 2271 will change the boat completely if you wakeboard heavily loaded. It will half the length of holeshot to get to wake speed over the 1617. Well at least the weight config I run . I recently lost a battle with a giant piece of concrete , had to throw the 1617 back on there.

                      if someone just surfs i would t say it’s worth the upgrade over the 1617, but if you wakeboard , it’s worth every penny IMOH.
                      I assume that was a typo and you mean 2571 (which ACME lists as 14x12) instead of 2271 (which I can't find)? Thanks for making me aware of it as there seems to be very little info on the 2571 and it is all from pre-2104 210's so it didn't even make my initial list for consideration. To confirm: results for a pre-2014/hull change SAN210 and a 2014+ SAN210 is apples-to-apples?

                      We don't just surf but are maybe 50% of the time, wakeboarding maybe 10% and the rest tubing/cruising (I know, I know but it's not my always choice as the wife and three younger kids + friends have to "win" sometimes). Given this is just our first summer with the boat, things could easily change in the future, but if our surf/wake/tube ratio stays about the same, it sounds like the decreased performance of the 2571 everywhere else (at least I assume this is true) wouldn't make it worth it just for the launch improvement.

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                      • swatguy
                        1,000 Post Club Member
                        • May 2008
                        • 1631

                        • Midwest/ Northern IL

                        • 2008 SANTE 210

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jojo View Post

                        I assume that was a typo and you mean 2571 (which ACME lists as 14x12) instead of 2271 (which I can't find)? Thanks for making me aware of it as there seems to be very little info on the 2571 and it is all from pre-2104 210's so it didn't even make my initial list for consideration. To confirm: results for a pre-2014/hull change SAN210 and a 2014+ SAN210 is apples-to-apples?

                        We don't just surf but are maybe 50% of the time, wakeboarding maybe 10% and the rest tubing/cruising (I know, I know but it's not my always choice as the wife and three younger kids + friends have to "win" sometimes). Given this is just our first summer with the boat, things could easily change in the future, but if our surf/wake/tube ratio stays about the same, it sounds like the decreased performance of the 2571 everywhere else (at least I assume this is true) wouldn't make it worth it just for the launch improvement.
                        my apologies. Yes. It was in fact a typo. The 2571 is what I was referencing.

                        While there was a hull/top deck change. The Hull change was very very minor. They just changed the transom of hull where the NSS plates meet to allow the NSS plates and hull to work better together in order to build a better more consistent surf wake. So the 07-2021 210 boat prop recommendations are all the same .

                        The easiest way I explain props to people is ……Props are like gears for boats. That 2571 is like launching in 2nd gear , so you get the instant response , but if you’re driving around 75 percent of your time unweighted pulling , tubes, skiers , cruising it’s probably not the best blend for you. It’s designed to purely push tons of weight out of the hole and give you the performance fully weighted. It will make your rpms run higher at certain speeds than the boat would run with that original team prop 1579/1619. I wakeboard or surf 80% of my time on the water. Ski and tube the rest. We rarely cruise. ( small private lake life). So our boat is for sure a wakesports boat.


                        it’s always worth a call to acme to get you the right prop . If you’re purely running stock ballast for wakeboarding , surfing , for the minimal time you wakeboard or surf the 1579/1619 is the perfect prop. If you’re wakeboarding 50% of your time with factory or pro ballast moving to a 1617 is probably a better move because you’re holshotting a lot more under load and would benefit from it.

                        These newer cnc props really don’t experience the performance loss/ trade offs of the old days. Top end isn’t really effected as much. The biggest effect is rpm value at the speeds you spend most of the time at and matching that to the correct prop to give you the best efficiency.


                        there is one prop I failed to mention which was the 1433. That was a slight upgrade in specs to the team 1579/1619. You might be able to find one of those use as at a great price. The reason I didn’t mention it is because usually people looking for an upgrade are coming from 1579/1619. Moving to a 1433 is not worth the money and won’t give you enough performance gain to justify the coin. However that gives you a nice sweet spot in case you start wakeboarding and surfing more but keeps you more in the rpm range for your tubing and unweighted activities. from stats you provide , assuming you’re pretty much running factory ballast or just slightly above that might be a great cheaper option, but there weren’t a lot of 1433’s out there .
                        Last edited by swatguy; 09-13-2021, 11:10 PM.

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                        • swatguy
                          1,000 Post Club Member
                          • May 2008
                          • 1631

                          • Midwest/ Northern IL

                          • 2008 SANTE 210

                          #13
                          Here’s an old thread with lot of info.
                          https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/f...highlight=1617


                          page 3 is roughly where the nitty gritty begins.

                          here were my numbers for the 2571


                          10.5mph 3050 RPM 3k ballast
                          23.5mph 3450 RPM 3 k ballast
                          38.3 WOT. No ballast.



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                          • XBIGPUN66
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 456

                            • WI

                            • 2014 SAN 210 TE. NSS. Pro ballast.

                            #14
                            Sorry I meant 1617. It's the bomb

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                            Ian S
                            2014 SANTE. NSS. Pro balllast. Boatmate trailer
                            2004 SANTE. 4000 lb ballast, 2013 graphics (prev). Ramlin trailer
                            2009 Moomba Outback (prev). Boatmate trailer

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