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  • Nigel06
    • Oct 2021
    • 17

    • Ireland

    • SV211 Team

    Mefi 4 woes

    I have a 2005 SV211 with ZR6 utilising a MEFI4 B ECM. I got my boat back in the water last Friday evening and everything went fine, returned to it on Sunday morning and it would not start. I noticed that the fuel pump was not being activated to prime the rail when turning on the ignition and began to investigate, eventually discovering that it would appear my MEFI 4 ECM has failed as we are unable to connect to it with Rinda Software and following the troubleshooting guide for my symptoms it leads to the ECM being at fault. I have shipped the ECM to a specialist to bench test and confirm my fears but am confident it is the issue.

    I purchased the boat in 2021 through a Nautique Dealer who had replaced the ECM earlier that year for a customer and having done about 40hrs since then. I have spoken to the dealer I purchased the boat through as well as another and a few MEFI specialists and the general consensus is that the MEFI's are very unreliable and it is common for them to have these types of issues, as they have little protection against any voltage spikes/fluctuations.

    I have sent the ECM over to a PCM dealer who will test the unit and is going to reach out to PCM to see if they have any stock available, supposedly this is the only (expensive) option to get a genuine MEFI 4 B with the original Engine Map for this era of ZR6. This specialist has advised me that if we can get a replacement I should get the boat running and sell it on as it's not a question of if but rather when the ECM will fail again. This is potentially further supported by the fact that the newly fitted ECM in 2021 failed after approx. 90hrs.

    I now find myself in a bit of a dilemma as I really do love my boat and have invested a bit of money in it over the past few years so am not keen on selling, but on the other hand also can not justify the cost of having to replace an ECM (which is not readily available) on a regular basis either.

    Are these MEFI 4 ECMs as bad as they are being made out? Having done some research I have came across examples on forums of people suffering from failed ones but it doesn't appear to be as prolific as I am being led to believe, maybe I have just been unlucky with the new ECM in my boat failing prematurely?

    My options seem to be to replace the ECM like for like or look at changing over to a different brand of ECM. I see in 2007 Nautique moved over to an EControls M5GCP ECM on the ZR6. After looking at the parts diagrams there is a number of notable differences with a Fly By Wire throttle body, a number of different electronic sensors and of course a completely different wiring loom to communicate with the different ECM. But maybe it is possible to retrofit some things and upgrade to this different ECM, although I can find none of the ECMs available online so it may not be possible to purchase them either.

    Has anyone else went through this problem and made a change from MEFI 4, or does anyone recommend other standalone ECMs that I should potentially consider as a replacement. I don't mind spending the extra time and money redoing looms etc and I have some one who would be more than capable of mapping the engine for me but just not sure if I am being overcautious about the MEFI 4 or if now is the opportunity to fix a potential reoccurring costly problem once and for all.


  • Jonny Quest
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Aug 2014
    • 370

    • Salt Lake City, Utah via Texas

    • 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited with ZR6 Engine

    #2
    Challenging dilemma to be sure. Unfortunately, the marine environment and electronics often don't play nice together...particularly if you run in seawater vs. freshwater. I've been thinking about a similar scenario with my 2001 Ski Nautique. Great boat. Love the GT-40 engine, but I'm concerned with ECM longevity and the availability of replacement parts. Currently, "new" ECMs are NLA (no longer available). There are some people / shops out there that offer to repair the ECM or re-program a junk-yard donor ECM. The cost of these repaired / re-programmed ECMs is between $600 and $900. Neither of these options excites me.

    This may seem like heresy or idiocy to some, but I'm old-school and I like old-school engines...the kind I can work on without special computers, electronics and interfaces. I like carbs and distributors. I can get old-school engines to run with a trip to the auto parts store (in most cases). If the ECM fails in my GT-40, I will likely yank out the engine and rebuild it and modify it back to old-school configuration. I would upgrade the cam, heads, intake and ignition to carburetor and HEI distributor. No ECM. I wouldn't sacrifice any power or performance but may lose a bit of cold-starting ease and cold drivability. That doesn't bother me, as I almost never operate in weather below 50 degrees.

    I've looked at buying a new 2023 Ski Nautique 200, but the amount of electronic gizmos on the boat concerns me. If the fancy touch-screen goes out...everything stops. I keep hearing about issues that folks are having with the newer boats that are loaded up with electronics and it makes me take a step back.

    Gotta run...the dinosaur needs feeding.

    JQ


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    • Nigel06
      • Oct 2021
      • 17

      • Ireland

      • SV211 Team

      #3
      Unfortunately the cost of ECM for the ZR6 are considerably more than what you can get for the GT40, and again there is only one person I am aware of that can provide these if PCM are unable to assist.

      Converting to a carb and distributor set up is something I am considering and may be a possibility but while this has been done to the 5.7 Engine of this era, my understanding is that it’s not just as easy if even possible to do on my engine. Really is a dilemma to choose how to proceed as if I was to replace the ECM this time to be met by a similar scenario in a year or two would be a hard pill to swallow.

      Doing some research I have came across the Megasquirt ECM which some guys have been using on GT40s, has any one any experience of replacing a MEFI with a Megasquirt?

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      • Jonny Quest
        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
        • Aug 2014
        • 370

        • Salt Lake City, Utah via Texas

        • 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited with ZR6 Engine

        #4
        I believe that the ZR6 engine is a Chev LS-based engine known as the LQ4. Do a search on carburetor LQ4 engines and you'd be surprised what you may find. I'm betting that you could retro back to carby...

        JQ

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