Perfect Pass

[dan1166]

Currently I own a 1999 Ski Nautique with Correct Craft Cruise. Lately I have been reading alot about the new Perfect Pass system.
Does anyone know how the latest version of Perfect Pass (6.5)will be compared to my Correct Craft Cruise. I am thinking of repalcing one of the the speedo's and installing the new dash display. Our slalom course does not have magnets, and I am wondering if there will be any difference with the new version if we do not have magnets. Does anyone have an opinion of this? Is the new version that much more refined? I talked to the people at Perfect Pass and they said I would only have to change the in dash display and the master module. It is a plug and play change over. But it would be nice to know if the pull will be improved before I spend the money on a 1999 boat. Thanks in advance for your opinions

Dan, the STS man

[pj]

RE: Perfect Pass

Sounds like the PP cruise just holds the speed (aka RPMs) that you set. The Pro version is calibrated using a slalom course for each tournament slalom speed. This is called setting the baseline RPM values. Once this is done for each speed from 23 MPH up to 36 MPH (23MPH and lower uses the paddle wheel not RPMs), all you need to do is enter the crew weight, skier weight, and desired slalom speed and the system will maintain this speed to tournament tolerance. There are some other advanced settings that can be set for serious shortline skiers that can adjust the "feel" of the pull while still maintaining tournament accuracy. While magnets are not necessary, you will need a course with magnets or a hand timer to do the initial calibration of the system.

[JayG80]

RE: Perfect Pass

I recently drove a Ski Nautique 2007 model with the new 6.5 PerfectPass. Sad to see that the new version does not have the water temperature feature. I asked the PP factory and they said the paddle wheel temp wiring is not part of the wiring harness to PerfectPass.

[east tx skier]

RE: Perfect Pass

Did they change the software for 2007? Or is this something specific to the wiring setup on the 07 Nautiques? I've got 6.5ng and you can get water temp, but you have to go to a different menu to get it (instead of hitting menu/up or whatever the keystroke used to be).

[G-man]

RE: Perfect Pass

The 07 AWSA boat test list 6.5ng as the official software on the test boats

[todda]

RE: Perfect Pass

Dan- I too have a 99 Ski (open bow) that came with the PP cruise. I did the "PP Plus" changeover and this is all I did: I changed my dash-head unit, and changed the chip to the 6.5, and then bought the magnet sensor. I didn't have to change the master module b/c I was still running off of RPM's (which is what your cruise currently does) rather than changing to the paddlewheel. I have been really pleased as we only use the PP for the course anyways, so I didn't need the paddlewheel option. This was a really inexpensive way to do the conversion.

Hope this helps!
Todd

[dan1166]

Perfect Pass

Hi Todd;

From your reply, I would assume that your course has magnets. We do not have magnets. Do you think this update to the system would be better that the old system(correct craft cruise), if we have no magnets? I am thinking nothing will change, unless we install magnets in the course. Both the old and the new 6.5 version are using RPM base. But I do like the new in dash 3.5" display. Let me know.

Dan

[todda]

RE: Perfect Pass

Hey Dan-

Yes, our course has magnets. I guess there are a few things very convenient about upgrading from a PP-cruise (at least what I have found...)
1. Really nice having the ability to preset speed with a skier. Throttle the skier up, wait for the beep, and you are set. With the upgrade, you will be able to actually "know" that you are running actual speeds (ie. 34mph or 36mph) rather than trusting your current speedos to be accurate. This is of course after you calibrate your new head unit to the correct RPM's for that speed. Also, since you are running a 1999 SN, I could give you what I found to be my preset RPM's for the different speeds. I calibrated mine on a surveyed tournament site/course with magnets so these presets should be pretty darn close to what you would be running. Water temp and altitude of your location might change the RPM sets a bit, but would give you a good starting point to move slightly up/down.

2. If you are getting more serious about slalom, it is nice having the ability to set crew weight, and adjust KX/PX values that change the timing in the course. Some of the advanced skiers can tell when you are running a "hot" (ie fast) time in the course; and also may want to adjust for the amount of pull coming out of the bouy, etc. Nice having the ability to adjust for head/tail winds as well.

3. BIGGEST advantage...what if you add magnets to your course? Might be something to consider, and would give you all the more reason for the upgrade.

All I can say Dan is that I have never regretted ugrading, even though it was another $450 or so putting into the boat (this was 3.5" dash unit, chip, magnet sensor). Let me know if you want those RPM values.

Todd

[dan1166]

perfect pass

Hi Todd;

I am 99.9% convinced that I should do the upgrade. Now is the time to do it during winter layup. If you would be so kind, to please send the RPM values. I will keep in touch.

Dan

[M3Fan]

RE: perfect pass

The key to getting the real PP is consistency from day to day. With PP cruise it only remembers the last speed you set it at. That makes it almost impossible to get consistent speeds from outing to outing. You don't have to be an advanced skier to benefit from that. Keep in mind that those baseline RPM values are just that- baseline values. As Todd mentioned, your actual speed will vary surprisingly significantly based on water conditions, wind, etc. Also, you don't need the magnets to truly calibrate the system- you can use the optional hand timer to tell the system where you are in the course as well, then it will suggest an RPM offset to compensate for conditions. Magnets sure are nice though.

[todda]

RE: perfect pass

Agree completely M3.

Yeah Dan, i will dig those values out if you give me a couple of days I will get them to you.

Todd

[dan1495]

On 2007 Nautiques it appears that the PP water temp is available on the L/E model but not the S/E. As an earlier post indicated it is a wiring harness issue.

[skijones]

Hey Todda, I also have a 99 Snob that I just installed perfect pass in. I would appreciate it if you would send the rpm values you have.

I was not a big believer in PP until I skied and drove with it. What a difference!

Thanks

[todda]

Hey skijones, I will attempt to create an attachment, and see if it works. As I told Dan, the values may need to be changed a bit, mine was calibrated in WA state, 55 deg air, 45 deg water temps.

Todd

[Rick]

Dan keep in mind that tthe paddlewheel is only used for speeds below 24MPH. As a result Slalom is always RPM. The magnets just adjust the RPM on the course. I thimk I would go with the sensor, guage, and 6.5 chip. Then buy magnets for your course. Everyone will appreciate it. Remember you only need 8 magnets for all ball or 5 for odd ball.