Perfect Pass install on an older carb boat

[MiracleDriver]

first off, can it be done?

my 1990 SN 351...

just skied behind perfectpass and what a difference. my speedos are obviously off because 32 felt like 36 on my boat...

only problem is my tach is not accurate and neither is my speedo as I just found out. most of my gauges aren't accurate acctually...

I also have crappy drivers, but wondered if it was even possible to install on an older carbed boat.

I would like to find an older version if possible. people keep telling me they are out there as they have upgraded to the indash display.

what is required to install either the older style or newer style?

I don't want the cruise as a digital speedo and tach would be nice without having accurate gauges.

[inboardsonly]

Yes it can be done, but if you want speed, then you need the digital pro or wakeboard pro--- either one that has a paddle wheel.

The original PP was a square box that hose clamped around the speedometer. No speed, all rpm based, and even the newest PP are RPM based on Slalom.

Carb or EFI it doesnt matter.

How much $ you want to spend is all that matters.

IO

[Laptom]

Yes, it can be done. I would recommend the paddlewheel version. This set can be set to rpm or speed mode. It doesn't matter if you have a carb engine.

[MiracleDriver]

thanks guys,

can you elaborate on the paddle wheel and rpm vs speed mode?

I was pulled by an older "box style" yesterday and he set the speed into the display and off we go. it was probably 4-5 years old on a CC 196, would it have had a paddlewheel?

as I understand the PP cruise they offer now is rpm based with no display.

then there's the wakeboard model and the digital pro. what is the difference?

I only want this for slalom course skiing and won't be using magnets.

I would require a speed and rpm display as my airguides are crap and my tach is pooched. so I can't trust my airguide to get me to speed.

where could I find an older model - the non indash display design?

[pj]

For slalom, all speeds over 23MPH on the PP are set using RPMs. If you have the paddle wheel, it will use that for trick mode, wakeboard mode, or slalom speeds 23MPH and under.
You will get a magnet pickup with the system you purchase (digital pro) and you'll need a course with magnets to calibrate ALL of the baseline RPM values for each slalom speed over 23MPH. OR you can get a hand timer button that plugs into the magnet pickup port on the master module under the dash and calibrate that way.
I believe you can get pretty much any display that they still have on hand. I would highly recommend taking out one of your speedos and putting in the multi-line display that comes with the new 6.5ng version.

[pj]

Also, the PP display will show you current engine RPMs and your current speed until the system activates and locks in. Then it will show your set speed. I believe if you turn the system off, it will still always show you your current speed if you have a paddle wheel.

[MiracleDriver]

I would like a the in dash module, but $$$ is a big issue. I am trying to research now for a purchase at some point before next spring.

as I said I will not have a course with magnets to calibrate it, so I will have to use the hand timer. can you use a stopwatch through the course or gps?

the paddle wheel would be nice because my speedos are wacked out.

does the system have to tie into my current tach or rpm sensor?

I am not getting any accuracy with my current tach, temp gauge or oil pressure gauge.

[M3Fan]

If you want anything but PP Cruise (not recommended) then you get the in-dash module anyway. It's part of the deal. You can use GPS to get baseline values for your slalom speeds and put them in by hand. You just drive the speed you are trying to program, say 32, then write down that RPM and manually enter the RPM for 32.3 mph into your PP. The system ties into the feed for the Tach, which is how it gets RPM. It's one wire that goes to the distributor and will be easy to fix if it's broken. Get PP Digital Pro. Worth every dime, and it will have the paddlewheel for you. You can't really go ala carte on the options- you just buy the package and it comes with all the bells and whistles. Best upgrade you could get for the boat.

[MiracleDriver]

Thanks M3.

I really want it lol.. after skiing yesterday behind a tsc2 196 with pp I NEED it!!!

can't afford it now, but if I know what I'm looking for you never know what pops up on ebay and other sites and I have xmas and a birthday before next year for the GF.... no diamonds going her way!!! she's getting ski gear!

the digital in dash is the it for me as one of my speedos is busted anyways..

not to be too maticulous, but how can I hook it up currently if my tach is off? it works, just reads real low...

also, the temp and oil pressure gauge read high, all other gauges work fine. don't know if this will cause a problem, I am not the best with electrical issues like this. I know red is positive and black is negative... gotta have a ground, etc.. and I can follow instructions, but that's where it ends...

like I said I don't need the magnets because the course won't have them.

I am looking at the skier to skier site and it shows that the wakeboard pro has the paddle wheel and rpm, but no magnets or timers.

the pp Pro has the electronic timer as well.

any more info is greatly appreciated!

[G-man]

In rpm mode there is a electrical connection made to the rpm wire on the guage. It senses electrical change on the wire not what the guage is reading. PP will display rpm's in digital form, much more accurate. I installed my PP on my old carbed boat and it was some of the best money spent. Current boat was wired at the factory. Wakeboard pro will ork fine for you. It cal be reset to display as a Slamon guage if you decide to add magnets to the course and put a smart timer in your boat. You won't be disappointed.

[MiracleDriver]

ya I think having the paddle wheel will enable me to time the rpm's more accurately and will time it with a stop watch in the course to see how accurate the paddle wheel is.

thanks everyone! where are the best places to order from? I will keep looking for systems to come up but I think spending the extra $$ to have it new and in dash is worth it.

[MiracleDriver]

I've come across a used PP in dash display for sale with a 6.5 chip. what else is needed if I were to purchase this? is it even worth it for $150?

[G-man]

You need a lot more. Servo, main wireharness, rpm sensor, paddlewheel, main powerbox that everything connects to.

[MiracleDriver]

can you upgrade from the basic cruise system to the pro with display and paddlewheel? if so what do you need? If its possible I may spring for the cruise and upgrade down the road. If it's not possible I will wait it out til I can afford the digital.

on another note there were a bunch of digital pro kits for sale on ebay for $500 buy it now. they went in a few days...

[east tx skier]

You can't upgrade from PP Cruise to wb pro or dpro without replacing the guage and master module if I recall correctly. If you decide to buy new, give Mike at MC of Charlotte a call. I have not come across anyone with a better price on a new PP system. Not quite as cheap as the systems you mentioned on ebay but a very good deal (and he's having it drop shipped from Perfect Pass, so you can get the Nautique guage no problem).