Conversion kit point to electronic trouble, help please

[wakespirit]

Dear all,
I just get a conversion kit from point to electronic for my correct craft. I get it from Retro Rocket ( Petronix ignitor)
I got a trouble to make my ignition working. I strictly follow installation instruction

I try to start my engine; engine did not start at all.

I have try what is suggest in manual like disconnecting red wire from ignitor to coil and connect it directly to + of the battery. Same result engine don’t start.

Then I remove spark plugs to verify if I have sparks when starting my engine, but no spark comes to the plug at all.

I have notice that the gap between the magnet and the rotor is quite big and there is no way to adjust it.

If I install back my point ignition system, by boat start right away

I nede your help, to know what I can do.
Does any one gets any idea ?
:???:

Thanks for your fat reply

Regard

serge

[Rick]

RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp please

Did you attach the black lead to the - side of the coil. The distance always looks large but should be OK. The signal needs to go to the coil for it to fire. Make sure the wires are not on backwards. I beleive the red goes to the plus side of the coil the black to the -. It shoud be really easy. You can also go to pertronix web page to ask them Good luck

[wakespirit]

RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp please

yes I have done all of this correctly...
:-(

[wakespirit]

RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp please

When I bought my conversion kit I bought at the same time the resistor.
On my boat initial resistor, there are no + or - sign mention but I check them with a voltmeter.
I first install the new resistor with my original point ignition and motor strat without any trouble
Then I install this electronic kit but then no sparks.

I check my battery level with voltmeter, it says 12 v but indicator on the dash bord says 10. I do not think it could be a problem.

What is strange for is that I did not receive any roto with my kit, so I use my original one, cud it be a problem with that kit ?

I could not found email for pertronix on there web site :-(

thnaks for you help
serge (France)

[Laptom]

RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp please

For the electronic kit you don't need a resistor.

[surroundsound64]

RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp please

I put the breakerless kit in mine and it never ran right, so I just went back with the point and condenser.

[wakespirit]

RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp please

I need the resistor because I have one originaly on my boat.
I have check the functionnylity of the modules and its ok according that link:

http://www.vintageperformance.com/re...field_test.htm

Doe sanyone as also problem with conversion kit on correct cract ?
My problem is that there is no sparks at the plug......

:-( I have spend 100 Euro for othing ...sniffff

PS: My boat manual says that coil is deliver with balast resistor, where it is? how it looks like ?

regards


Serge(France)

[Hollywood]

Re: RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp ple

I need the resistor because I have one originaly on my boat.

PS: My boat manual says that coil is deliver with balast resistor, where it is? how it looks like ?

Why don't you call Retro Rocket since they're the shop you bought it from? Saving ~$30 over the SKIDIM price has gotten you this far! Word to the wise, if you bought from SKIDIM Vince would have you motorboating right now instead of posting engine problems you can't seem to figure out.

What coil do you have on the boat RIGHT NOW? If you have original equipment, yes you have been using a ballast resister. It is a white ceramic box underneath the black plastic fuse cover on the back of the engine.

If you have a new Petronix coil, it is 1.5 ohm and you DON'T need the resistor. If you are running a generic automotive/marine coil that is only .7 ohm you will need to use the resistor.

[wakespirit]

RE: Re: RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp

ON my boat now I have the coil of petronix that they sell with the conversion kit as optional choice.
So I have replace the original coil by the new one, but I did not remove the ceramic resistor you are talking about behind the engine.
DO you mean that it is better to leave the Original coil ?

I call where i bought the conversion kit and they were telling me that it might be a ground problem. I check all grounding from the ignitor side its ok....

But what seems not is that my BAttery voltage is 12V if I measure it with voltmeter, the if I turn the ignition key, my voltmeter on my dash bard shows 10 V and if I start to crank the engine it drops far below 8 V on dashboard. thta migh be the issue but how to find the reason for that ???

serge

[Hollywood]

RE: Re: RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp

I just told you what you need to do to fix your problem. If you use the new Pertronix coil, you should not be using the resistor. Sounds like you have no idea how electronics work. You aren't getting enough voltage regardless of what the dash says, it reads about 2 volts low from the factory. The increased resistance in the coil makes up for the ballast resistor.

If you run both the new 1.5 ohm coil and the resistor you now don't have enough voltage to the ignition. Use the NEW coil with the proper resistance and eliminate the ballast resistor. There should be instructions, read them.

new coil = no resistor
old coil = resistor

[darrel409]

RE: Re: RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp

Hollywood, did you have breakfast with 79nautique? Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

[wakespirit]

RE: Re: RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble, hllp

Yes I ma not an electronic guy as you mentionned otherwise I will not post my quetsion here and would have solve my problem alone. So I simply try to find help from you like others on this forum.

You know I have replace now the coil to original one, just for testing, and then I have same behaviour on the voltmeter side :-(

Any more ideas ?
Serge

[Hollywood]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Convertion kit point to electronic trouble,

Any more ideas ?

Put the points back in if you can't read what I just typed, twice.

darrel409, bobchris and I shared a nice big apple pancake this morning.

[Laptom]

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Convertion kit point to electronic troub

Serge. Read the post again. Holywood and I just said it before... With the new coil and electronic kit you don't need the extra resistor (which you engine originaly was equipted with). Take the original, extra ballast resister (5cm white retangular box) out of your system!
When you crank your engine it's normal that the voltage drop to 8V. The starter will take so much juice that the battery voltage will drop.
Re-read this post please. Holywood has suggest a posible solution and given you some anwsers, it's quite boldy to ask the same questions again before you tried his solution. Could luck, please let us know if it works out. Otherwise you can email me at tvhoek@gmail.com .

[wakespirit]

Sure I am ready to do it but still some points for me to understand



Yes I understand that you suggest to remove the ballast resistor, but then if I remove the ballast resistor, where should I connect both wire that was initially attached to it ? should I simply link them together ?



An other test that I have made if it helps for more things. The petronix documentation says that if you are equipped with a ballast resistor, is to connect the red wire of the ignition kit (+), to the + side of the ballast resistor. I have made this way with no luck. Still no spark



When I turn the ignition key, I have 12V at the + side of the ignition kit.

When I crank the engine I have 8.5 V



Thnaks for your help

serge