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  • dfoster
    • Mar 2012
    • 134

    • Northborough, MA

    • 2004 SV211 TE

    Another DIY NSS project

    Ok, I had been all talk and no game, but I was really inspired by Andrew's NSS Build

    I had started originally thinking of Marc's simple test NSS and liked that as well.

    So I aimed for the middle. But think I have something that many of us could build if we want.

    I templated out the back of my boat using cardboard, and was looking for something I could cut that wasn't wood, but wasn't aluminum. I went for plastic, HDPE, cheapest source is actually cutting boards at Walmart!

    But easy enough to trace out the shape of the edge of my hull ('04 SV211) to get the right contours. Then did some 20degree slots in another piece that were 2.25" long to match what I would get if I went to Lenco trim tabs.

    To mount it, I realized that my swim platform mount actually has a 3/8" piece of plastic between the metal and the hull. Pulled that off, and replaced it with my base cutting board. I got the board sized so that the top corner is actually "pinched" by the swim platform at the outer corner to provide some extra support. The movable part is cut around that so that it doesn't touch the platform but starts high so that when it is down I get full height out in the water.

    Bolted it up with stainless hardware and a wing-nut on the top nut so that I could manually loosen it, extend the outer piece and then tight it back up.

    Here are some pics so this makes sense. The first one is "closed" and the second one is all the way deployed.
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    I used a dremel tool and file to get the contours right so that it isn't out "in the water" when you look down the hull. But the 20deg and 2.25" slot get me about 2" in the water.
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    Here is a shot of what it looks like deployed when in the water, looking down from my swim platform.
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    You will notice that it is held in place a bit by the swim platform so that I am not worried (too much) about it bending or breaking off.

    Now for the best part... load up the boat and test it. We started off with stock ballast (700lbs ish) and then put one fat sac across the back for another about 600 lbs. Then 10.5mph, which has been our typical speed. And BAM!
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    The pics don't show it real well, but the wave was super-clean. This is nothing that I had ever been able to do before. Oh, and it was me and my 3 girls in the boat, so I normally can't even get close to this without 9 people and lots of sacs.

    We surfed it, but it needed a bit more height and push. I slowed down to 9.8, which helped and the wave stayed clean, but we wanted more. So one more fatsac on top. Not quite full, so probably 600 pounds or so more. Much nicer!
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    You can see that the wave was bigger and stayed clean. The pocket got real long. I surfed it too, and I initially felt like I wanted it to be steeper, but I could ride the wave anywhere. I managed to ride all the way back on our 25 foot rope. Normally, I can get a nice steep wave, but the pocket for me is really short. This was amazingly long. I could easily ride at full length and then come back up. I wasn't letting go to test as the water temp was 45deg and I didn't want to get wet, but wow.
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    I want to have more time to play with weighting and speed, but it was so good first shot. Normally the SV is really sensitive to weight placement forward and back or left/right, but this seemed really stable. i didn't bother moving when I was driving and the wake was great. When my girls moved around to take pictures you really didn't notice much.

    So, next step is to transfer this to laser-cut aluminum and go for the full "Andrew" version. But this is pretty easy.

    Total cost was $20 of cutting boards and maybe $20 of stainless hardware. All cut with a jigsaw, dremel, and files. I could easily re-make this a bit neater and keep it manual, but winter is here and I want to go all out, but if you were thinking about trying to do something like this, it can be done without any holes in your boat or fancy tools.

    I'm sure I am forgetting something, so ask away. This project will now consume me for the entire winter.
  • jbwake
    • May 2004
    • 61

    • Brisbane, Australia

    • 2012 210 Team

    #2
    Nice work! Also I like how you have got stuck in to it with some cheap easy to source components to test it out.
    2012 210TE + ZR6 + NSS + Clarion Sponsorship = Good times
    Previous boats ->2001 SAN. 2003, 04, 05, 06 210TE, 07 220TE, 08, 09, 10, 11 210TE

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    • High altitude
      • Oct 2011
      • 206

      • Larkspur, CO

      • 2014 SN 200 OB

      #3
      Nice job! How much weight did you have in the front of the boat? I found that to be a critical factor. Surprisingly, I needed more weight in the front for the wave to have the right amount of push. Also, did you try moving the tab out to different displacements? I found that sometimes if it stuck out too far it made a slightly worse wave. There seems to be one optimal spot...but you won't know what this is until you try a few different setting. Keep us posted on your progress. -Marc

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      • pe4me
        • Jan 2013
        • 165

        • Dhahran, KSA/ Green Bay, Wi

        • 1997 SSN 2006 210 TE www.whitelake.com 1994 Prostar 205 (restored) 198

        #4
        Someone/people stand to make some serious cash off these concepts. When a NSS knock off becomes available for the sv,210s of old...there will b some fortunes to be made. I know I am a buyer when it hits the market. I see a cheap manual deployed version and a auto deploy that will command a premium. For guys who are into spending 100k on a current model, a few grand to make my 06 more attractive in the surf scene makes me smile.
        OP, Thanks for sharing and good luck with transition to aluminum...awesome.
        [COLOR=#333333]2006 210 TE[/COLOR]
        [COLOR=#333333]www.whitelake.com[/COLOR]
        [COLOR=#333333]1994 Prostar 205 (restored)[/COLOR]
        [COLOR=#333333]1986 Dixie Skier OB[/COLOR]

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        • AndrewC
          • Jan 2011
          • 105

          • Austalia

          • Nautique 220 Team

          #5
          Awesome work, glad I have inspired people. You can't beat that feeling of seeing the results of something you made for the first time. I could not wipe the smile off my face for weeks.

          I know of another user on this forum that I have been helping that is working on a system too. Love seeing people having a red hot crack at DIY systems. Good luck with finishing it off.

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          • dfoster
            • Mar 2012
            • 134

            • Northborough, MA

            • 2004 SV211 TE

            #6
            Marc - I only had the stock belly tank, which I think might be 300lbs. The wave was plenty long, so we were thinking more weight towards the back, but we can try shifting things around. Not sure how much more time this season I can get on the water. :-(

            I didn't have as much time to play with it as I had hoped. We did mostly speed and weight in the back. Hopefully this winter I will have time to tank bust in the back and put in an integrated bow sac. That should give me enough weight to be good. Honestly, since I didn't have many people in the boat, I don't see a need to go much bigger. That was amazing for what we can do..,. that said, with this, we will probably be better surfers next summer.

            As far as building/selling kits, I think that might require some licensing with Nautique. But it does seem tempting to work it out. We would just need to build templates for a couple of hulls and a controller that would run off perfect pass for speed sensing. That said, I am not sure I am going to quit my day job for it.

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            • Nautiquehunter
              1,000 Post Club Member
              • Jun 2008
              • 2080

              • Flowery Branch GA Lake Lanier

              • 2008 210 SANTE 67 Correct Craft Mustang

              #7
              dfoster- AndrewC
              Both great jobs its great to get some first hand knowledge .
              How important is the amount of flap sticking out the bottom . Is the 20 degree slot the optimal number? If you lessen the pitch of the slot it will protrude more out the bottom. Is the 2'' in the water the amount to go with?

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              • thedude
                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                • Apr 2007
                • 451

                • SW PA


                #8
                great mock up! Will be following to see the finished product

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                • s_kelley2000
                  1,000 Post Club Member
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 1575
                  • Fort Meadow Recevoir

                  • Mass

                  • 2012 Super Air Nautique 230 1999 Nautique Super Sport with 502 Python (for Sale)

                  #9
                  Awesome work Doug! Great to see it can be tested cheaply without adding holes to the platform or transom. Let me know if you get out again and want a crash test dummy to help you dial it in haha.
                  Shawn

                  2012 Blue Metal Flake SAN 230

                  1999 Black and Tan Python 502 Powered Super Sport (for Sale)

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                  • CMW
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 66

                    • englewood co


                    #10
                    Hey Doug, Did you put one on each side or just one side? Looks like just starboard...??

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                    • flipflop
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 58



                      #11
                      Looks great. To confirm, the base board is only held on by the mounting bracket and platform, but has no support near the far right bottom of the hull? Does this result in the boards flexing away from the hull while underway? Is this set up sustainable without doing damage to the platform mounting bracket or hull?

                      Thanks for sharing. Makes me want a nice surf wave too...

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                      • dfoster
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 134

                        • Northborough, MA

                        • 2004 SV211 TE

                        #12
                        Nautiquehunter - I went with the 20 degree because it seems close to what Nautique was doing and as I mocked things up, I realized that the back edge of my transom slopes in at about that angle to vertical so it will make mounting the actuator straight forward. The 2.25" slot is based on the length of travel that I can get out of a Lenco XDS actuator which just barely fits in the space. I was assuming the Nautique folks are smart and probably worked out why you want some extension on both the side and the bottom. The 20 degree angle and 2.25" slot gives me about 2.25 out in the water on the side (since it parallels the edge of the hull), and just under an inch at the bottom, which lines up with one of the channels on the bottom of my hull. My assumption is that the extension on the bottom provides a bit of "lift" to that side of the boat, which helps drive the opposite side down and helps the wake a bit more.

                        Shaun - I should have let you know but it was a last minute trip to test it. With more rain and cold this weekend, I'm not sure I will be able to get the boat out. If the weather gets nice over thanksgiving, I will shoot you a message before I go out.

                        Jason - I only mocked up one side... the starboard, because why would I want goofy surfers on my boat?!? But really, I could pull it off and put it on the other side and it would work, but since it was just a mock-up, I only did one. My plan is to build out both sides now that I know what I am doing.

                        flipflop - You are correct, it was only held on by the bracket and swim platform. Based on the strength of the 3/8 board, it bends a bit, but I really don't think it is a problem. That said, the board would definitely break way before the metal mounting bracket would deform at all. I also used pretty small bolts to hold on the top board that slides out. My thinking was that if I hit anything the top board would break or pull-through so I wouldn't risk damage. If I was going to build this out as a more permanent solution I would want to brace the base somehow or bolt it to the hull. One of the issues with the current setup is that I didn't build "filler" pieces to account for the curvature of the transom and the step-in at the bottom of the hull. This allows water to get behind the board. I think with everything filled in properly there would be less bend.

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                        • s_kelley2000
                          1,000 Post Club Member
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 1575
                          • Fort Meadow Recevoir

                          • Mass

                          • 2012 Super Air Nautique 230 1999 Nautique Super Sport with 502 Python (for Sale)

                          #13
                          No worries at all Doug, with the new baby at home I am not sure I would have been able to make it out anyways. I should be able to sneak out for a little bit on thanksgiving weekend if you end up going again and want some company.

                          So you were able to set that wave up without listing the boat right? That's another huge benefit on top of the better wave. You and others definitely have me inspired to try some experiments on my boat next summer.
                          Shawn

                          2012 Blue Metal Flake SAN 230

                          1999 Black and Tan Python 502 Powered Super Sport (for Sale)

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                          • dfoster
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 134

                            • Northborough, MA

                            • 2004 SV211 TE

                            #14
                            Originally posted by s_kelley2000 View Post
                            So you were able to set that wave up without listing the boat right?
                            That really is the best part. The boat is flat and handles much better because of it. With the boat evenly loaded, I wasn't getting water in my side vents as well. Even our deck starts were much easier because the deck isn't all submerged and tilted.

                            The boat does tilt a bit when under speed. I think some of that is the virtical part of the plate that should create a bit more lift on that opposite side.

                            It is really nice to surf without your passengers being worried that you are about to tip the boat over!

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                            • s_kelley2000
                              1,000 Post Club Member
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 1575
                              • Fort Meadow Recevoir

                              • Mass

                              • 2012 Super Air Nautique 230 1999 Nautique Super Sport with 502 Python (for Sale)

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dfoster View Post
                              It is really nice to surf without your passengers being worried that you are about to tip the boat over! .
                              Not to mention onlookers thinking your boat is about to sink haha. I hate having my boat all leaned over for surging. It handles like crap, your passengers are all crammed on one side and I always wonder/fear about starving the engine, vdrive or tranny of fluid. I would definitely take advantage of a quick surf set after wakeboarding more often if I didn't have to drastically change my weight set up like I currently do. I doubt I will go all out for a push button actuator system at this time but I really like the ease, cost and functionality of your cutting board setup.
                              Last edited by s_kelley2000; 11-22-2013, 09:28 AM.
                              Shawn

                              2012 Blue Metal Flake SAN 230

                              1999 Black and Tan Python 502 Powered Super Sport (for Sale)

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