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  • Yiger
    • Feb 2013
    • 84

    • Maryland

    • 2013 Sport 200

    Diy nss 200v

    I finally got to do some early stage testing of a DIY NSS-type system for my 200V today. Because it isn't available on the 200 (yet? ever?) there isn't much to go off of. I've read through Andrew's NSS thread a million times and spent time reading the other threads with less elaborate set ups to learn what I could from them. Before I get into any AutoCAD designs or laser cutting it seemed best to experiment with different shaped sliders. DFoster's system seemed like a good place to start but I didn't want to cut or drill the boat at all (at least not for the testing phase) and the 200 doesn't have the plastic spacer between the platform mounts and the hull like DFoster used. So here's what I came up with:
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    The bracket clamps on to the swim platform and the platform brace. The tracks in the backing plate allow me to change the sliding plates to test different shapes (once installed, they can only be in the extended position). I used 4 bolts with washers and wingnuts to hold the plates onto the bracket. You can see in the second photo how the washers fit into recesses so the wingnuts don't need to be very tight. This system worked really well and it was easy to change sliding plates on the lake. I plasti-dipped everything that might scratch the boat and used materials laying around the garage. So far I'd estimate I've spent about $20 total and most of that was on cutting boards to use for the sliding plates.

    I tried 3 different plates today. They were all shaped off a simulated 22 degree sliding angle and a 2.25" actuator (taken from Andrew's thread since I had to start somewhere).
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    And one that only extends sidewards:
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    I tested each plate with several ballast configurations and I have a few more in mind to try tomorrow. It seems to me the boat just doesn't have enough forward weight to make the NSS work perfectly. I was the only person in the boat and I only had about 60% fuel but the bow was too high. I do have about 400lbs of ballast in the ski locker so that helped even out my weight and bring the bow down a bit. The wake was much improved with the hydrogate forward in the slalom position but it was not very good with it in the steep position. I did get back out later with my wife so I could surf a bit and despite looking nice from the boat, the wave seems to have lost some push. The biggest plate and the sideward plate seemed to work the best but none of them are right yet. The sideward plate required off-center ballasting which somewhat defeats the point.

    The conclusion from today is I need a lot more testing in this phase of the design. I'm still trying to get the weight distribution right and the shape of the plates obviously needs some refining. I plan on doing some more testing this weekend since it should be over 80 degrees outside.

    I welcome all thoughts and ideas. Thanks for reading!

    (I did get tons of photos of the waves today but they aren't very good. Here's one just for the sake of it though).
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  • AndrewC
    • Jan 2011
    • 105

    • Austalia

    • Nautique 220 Team

    #2
    Hi Mate,

    Great to see people having a red hot crack at doing their own systems.

    I noted that you are working off a 22 degree deployment angle. At the time that I stated this, i was working off my memory and I was not quite correct. I just checked my drawings and I actually used a 29 degree angle.

    Not saying that you are wrong, you my even be more right then me, but I just worked off the fact that it went outwards about twice as far as it went down and came up with 29 degrees. This was pased off the nautique promo videos that I watched 6 trillion times.

    I found that the hydrogate lever worked best forward for us too. In fact, if have not found a situation where having it back is good for anything on the 220. On the 220, we have even made an engraved label as a joke around the hydrogate that says foward for "Clean" and back for "Crumble Maker"

    20ft boats will always try and stand on their tail for surfing. This produces lots of push but a short pocket. So a little weight for you in the bow would help. The 220 on the other hand does not need weight in the bow. Doing this makes the pocket long with little push as the boat is already a little nose down as it has the longer water line length.

    Good luck with it all and remember, keep it simple and don't over think it.

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    • dfoster
      • Mar 2012
      • 134

      • Northborough, MA

      • 2004 SV211 TE

      #3
      Nice!

      I like it. Aren't cutting boards great for this? Amazing what you can do with a little thinking and the junk in your garage.

      Adding the indents for the washers is a great idea. Will help to hold them in place.

      I was just looking at the Moomba surf system and they used a spring pin that pops into holes at different spots to hold it into position. Take a look at how they mount things and you might get an idea, but it looks simple and clean.

      If you really want to play, try one of their shapes. They really put out a "hook" to create a bigger shape. Might be worth trying with the smaller boat.

      Since I was doing this on an SV, to get it to shape up I really needed to up the ballast. If you go back and look at the pictures I had two 750 sacks on top of each other, not completely full, but at least 1200 lbs centered in the back to get the right shape. That was on top of the stock ballast. The first round we tried with stock + 600 looked more like yours. Okay, but nothing that we hadn't done with a bunch of people in the boat.

      We were also playing with the speed to get things right. But I think you need more weight and to play with moving it around to get the shape and size you want.

      At this point, I am thinking of really going with a 1/4" back plate so that I can easily thread into it and change my plates or angles around. I'm convinced it will work, but with a nice solid plate on the transom, you could build a couple different kinds of systems or plates without re-drilling the transom. For example, I may be stuck with something like 20 - 22 degrees due to size limitations under my swim platform. But it was a decent shape. Very long, but could have been taller. I would like to work out how to change the shape up from long and clean to steep. Lots of variables to play with.

      Good luck and enjoy playing with it.

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      • Yiger
        • Feb 2013
        • 84

        • Maryland

        • 2013 Sport 200

        #4
        Great to get advice from folks who have gone down this path! You are right about what can be done with junk from the garage- plus it cleans off the shelves!

        Andrew, thanks for correcting the angle. 22 degrees should be close enough for the rough concept I'd guess, but I'll fool with some different angles for the next shapes I cut.

        Hopefully I can find the right shape and size slider for the weight I already have in the boat- I'm not sure I can add much more than the 2000 lbs I already have. I think at this point it's finding the right balance of the ballast tanks. I have a 1100 lbs sac in the rear port, 750 lbs in the rear starboard, 250 in the belly tank, and 450 in the ski locker (port side). I was ballasted with 750 in each rear locker, the belly tank full, and about 300 in the ski locker (too much of that 300 is to balance me out in the driver seat- I need to eat less). I think any more weight at this point will have to come from people because I'm out of room for hidden tanks and the wife doesn't like the idea of them being visible. (She probably doesn't have a good reason for that, but if that's the only concession I have to make with my daily surfing habit I'm fine with it). I really do like having the boat level though- I went out today without the plates and just surfed with off center ballast and it sucked. Once you have seen the light, it's hard to go back.

        I haven't seen that Moomba system before- that shape is definitely worth messing with. RIght now I'm considering trimming a bit off my sliding plates so they stick out from the boat less. My biggest issue with the wave they were producing is that it lost a lot of push and it was tough to toss the rope. I'm wondering if I can sacrifice some of the length of the wave and get some of the push back. It's worth trying anyway. The perfect shape is out there, it just needs to be found...

        My wife asked me yesterday if I was having fun with the project even though the wave isn't yet what I'm hoping for- I told her I get to build relatively stupid stuff, surf, drink beer, and take pictures of waves. My biggest problem in life right now is making a wave the exact shape I want... How can this not be fun?

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        • Yiger
          • Feb 2013
          • 84

          • Maryland

          • 2013 Sport 200

          #5
          More testing today... I made new plates that extend much higher because I thought the top of my sliding plates were too far below the surface of the water. The new ones are actually higher than sliding plates can realistically be but it is easier (and cheaper) to start big and cut them down. The new plates didn't change the wave much but did add a spectacular water feature to the stern of the boat! I now get a steady stream of water arcing parallel with the transom (perpendicular to the centerline of the boat) that shoots about a foot above the sun deck. Obviously that's not ideal. I was pretty light again today- I was short on gas (about 45%) and only had my (albeit super pregnant) wife and her 5lbs dog aboard with me. I still think my sliding plates extend too far- I'll cut them down tomorrow and try again.

          I haven't had any raging success yet but I still can't help but think a team full of engineers and computer models along with a complete fabrication shop (hint, hint, Correct Craft) could figure this out pretty quickly. I'm just a guy with a jig saw and cutting boards and I'm learning a little bit with each test session.

          I am considering trying something more akin to Malibu's system as well. I like Moomba's simplicity but a small portion of my motivation is being able to switch sides while surfing- the rest is pretty much a level boat. I will admit though that the more I test the more I'm surprised with the quality of wake I get after adding the ballast to the ski locker under the observer seat.

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          • High altitude
            • Oct 2011
            • 206

            • Larkspur, CO

            • 2014 SN 200 OB

            #6
            Any updates? -Marc

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            • High altitude
              • Oct 2011
              • 206

              • Larkspur, CO

              • 2014 SN 200 OB

              #7
              Bump. Any updates? Looking forward to hearing about this on the 200V. I actually think a Surfgate style system would work better based on the hull design. I'm going to try another series of tests on my '99 SN this fall. Basically, I will compete my homebuilt NSS system against a homemade Surfgate and a homemade Gen 2 tab system. It should be fun!

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              • knotayooper
                • May 2014
                • 14

                • United States

                • 1999 Super Air Nautique

                #8
                Can't wait to see the results....

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