Wake Size, Erosion, and Banning of Watersports Discussion

[Hollywood]

Wakeboarding has really evolved the boats over the last 5 or so years and the ballast keeps adding up more and more. Does this kind of load "beat on" an engine to the point of doing harm or needing a rebuild sooner?
For example, I have an 04 210 that I am now running over 2k in ballast

It also beats on everyone's shoreline, your joints (if you are even going big, though most are not), and all the other boats crossing your wake.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your trick list?

[behindpropellers]

Re: Engine question

Wakeboarding has really evolved the boats over the last 5 or so years and the ballast keeps adding up more and more. Does this kind of load "beat on" an engine to the point of doing harm or needing a rebuild sooner?
For example, I have an 04 210 that I am now running over 2k in ballast

It also beats on everyone's shoreline, your joints (if you are even going big, though most are not), and all the other boats crossing your wake.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your trick list?

:mrgreen:

[Hollywood]

Re: Engine question

Wakeboarding has really evolved the boats over the last 5 or so years and the ballast keeps adding up more and more.

My previous post probably came off as a personal attack, but this line really bothers me. There is no need for all this ballast, bunch of bull****. If you can't put together a respectable run of several inverts and spins (360+) with stock ballast (1k) find a new sport.

This reminds me of people playing wallyball in the racquetball courts. Gee thanks! :???:

[RexB]

RE: Re: Engine question

[quote="Hollywood"]

Wakeboarding has really evolved the boats over the last 5 or so years and the ballast keeps adding up more and more.

My previous post probably came off as a personal attack, but this line really bothers me. There is no need for all this ballast, bunch of ***. If you canI agree. I watched a guy on the river the other day throwing crazy tricks while boarding behind a fishing boat. Maybe the answer is better technique, rather than more ballast. 8-)

[Roddyj]

RE: Re: Engine question

this completely changes the thread, but its heading that way anyhow.

what is wrong with having the biggest wake possible. i have a super sport. i run 1800+ lbs of ballast with at least 6 people. thats prolly close to 3000 lbs. the wake is gigantic. and its extremely FUN. trick list has nothing to do with wake size, not everyone is out there to land 67 inverts.

i agree that new folks should run NO ballast and intermediate riders probably dont need that much either. but people who can RIDE enjoy it. take me for example, i have been riding for close to 15 years. my "trick list" is not big. nothing past 5's and a few basic inverts now days. a big wake makes it fun for me cause i can get as much pop as possible with little effort. it allows me to drift into the wake and make huge floaty hits, which fits my style of riding.

you know, its all about the fun factor man. its more fun to go higher, no matter what the trick. my personal favorite is taking a melon grab 180 or 3 as large as i can. super tech, maybe not. requires a huge wake, nope. but it is more fun getting twice as much air. simple as that.

whole nother debate i suppose, but hollywoods post intrigue me.

[Hollywood]

Re: RE: Re: Engine question

what is wrong with having the biggest wake possible.

Straining your boat, everyone elses, the shoreline, and your body.

[bchesley]

RE: Re: Engine question

I see this as wake envy. :P

We still live in a free country to have as big as wake as you think that you need right. I dont force what I want on you. As a matter of fact I would even go to the trouble of emptying the ballast if its too much for you if you want t oride behind my boat. I hope that was not taken personal :P right.....

[jward]

Hollywood,

Just to answer your off topic question. I have a few inversts and a few spins, which I can throw without putting any ballast in my boat. But, it is a heck of alot more fun when the wake is big. I don't ride on your lake so that should not be a problem to you. Also where I ride we usually never see anyone so I am not doing it to impress anyone if that is what you are getting at. Also, I have riders from EVERY skill level from beginner to pro come to ride so I would like to be able to provide the wake that the rider wants. If you want to come out and show me some new tricks feel free to come over, I can make the wake whatever shape and size you would like. Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

[darrel409]

Dont you need the racketball ct to make it wallyball?

[Hollywood]

Re: RE: Re: Engine question

We still live in a free country to have as big as wake as you think that you need right. I dont force what I want on you.

Actually, I've read several waterways restricting ballast due to the destruction it causes. As a skier, the less rollers I have to go over the better so that makes me happy but I'm not actually out campaigning against wakeboard boats, unless it's in threads like this. I wouldn't consider any of my posts forcing anybody to empty their tanks (and sacs) either. I put a fat sac in my boat once. I drive weighted boats from time to time for my friends when they are wakeboarding.

I pretty much quit wakeboarding a few years ago. Go big or go home, I went home since going big became too painful for my knees and I wanted to save them for other disciplines.

Put up a net in the middle of a racquetball court and pack it full of fat americans and smelly foreigners and now you have wallyball!

[behindpropellers]

Re: RE: Re: Engine question

We still live in a free country to have as big as wake as you think that you need right. I dont force what I want on you.

Actually, I've read several waterways restricting ballast due to the destruction it causes. As a skier, the less rollers I have to go over the better so that makes me happy but I'm not actually out campaigning against wakeboard boats, unless it's in threads like this. I wouldn't consider any of my posts forcing anybody to empty their tanks (and sacs) either. I put a fat sac in my boat once. I drive weighted boats from time to time for my friends when they are wakeboarding.

I pretty much quit wakeboarding a few years ago. Go big or go home, I went home since going big became too painful for my knees and I wanted to save them for other disciplines.

Put up a net in the middle of a racquetball court and pack it full of fat americans and smelly foreigners and now you have wallyball!

I share the same opinion.

I am recommending that they ban ballast and wakesurfing on our lake when it becomes public.

Why?

Because wakeboarders don't care about waterskiing or anything else. When they are the ones tearing up the lake and shoreline, every watersports discipline is blamed.

I'm all for wakeboarding. Just learn the correct technique so you can do it behind any boat.

[DanielC]

Wake Issues

This is what is happening in Oregon:
http://www.boatoregon.com/OSMB/WakePage/WakePage.shtml
And now, back to the engine discussion.

[SNobsessed]

RE: Wake Issues

That Oregon decision looks pretty reasonable to me, there are many interests that need to blend together. If we respect each other then it will work out.

For the engine question, the engine was designed to be worn out, just make sure you have a good time doing it. Most likely it will just lose compression slowly, eventually you will want to refresh it or it's time for a different boat anyway.

So load up the ballast, the babes & the beer. The gas you burn costs way more than the rebuild.

[8122pbrainard]

Re: RE: Re: Engine question

We still live in a free country to have as big as wake as you think that you need right. I dont force what I want on you.

Actually, I've read several waterways restricting ballast due to the destruction it causes. As a skier, the less rollers I have to go over the better so that makes me happy but I'm not actually out campaigning against wakeboard boats, unless it's in threads like this. I wouldn't consider any of my posts forcing anybody to empty their tanks (and sacs) either. I put a fat sac in my boat once. I drive weighted boats from time to time for my friends when they are wakeboarding.

I pretty much quit wakeboarding a few years ago. Go big or go home, I went home since going big became too painful for my knees and I wanted to save them for other disciplines.

Put up a net in the middle of a racquetball court and pack it full of fat americans and smelly foreigners and now you have wallyball!

I share the same opinion.

I am recommending that they ban ballast and wakesurfing on our lake when it becomes public.

Why?

Because wakeboarders don't care about waterskiing or anything else. When they are the ones tearing up the lake and shoreline, every watersports discipline is blamed.

I'm all for wakeboarding. Just learn the correct technique so you can do it behind any boat.

I agree with the above. Yes we do live in a free country up to the point where the activity hurts others, their activity or their property. I look forward to the day that ballasting boats is banned.

[johnboyy7]

RE: Re: RE: Re: Engine question

i think we should ban wave runners too then. they respect nobody and do nothing but rough up the water.