Wake Surfing

[ag4ever]

And the problem with those pictures are?

If anything, it looks like you are stitting idle in the middle of the travel path. (assuming you are not an equal distance from the other shoreline)

[noahd]

guess you know what assume means?

[Ryan_E]

If anything, it looks like you are stitting idle in the middle of the travel path. (assuming you are not an equal distance from the other shoreline)

No I was not sitting idle in the middle of the travel path as you assume. We were in my boat and I just picked up a rider and had traveled to the edge of the water way to get the next rider prepped, you know getting out of the line. Assumming you know what that means.

[Mikeski]

Noahd,

I don't know what your objective was in creating this thread? Was it to offend everybody that enjoys wakesurfing on this webboard? I might think so since the topic heading is WAKE SURFING then you go on to state that your opinion is that it should be banned.

Maybe I should start a topic called TUBING then go on to say that my opinion is that it should be banned because I don't like it?

Do you think wake surfing is more dangerous than water-ski jumping? Should that be banned?

I have issues with this thread because it puts ideas in people's heads that it is OK to ban something just because you don't like it. I could create a list of things that I think they should ban on the basis of safety just because I don't like them. You need to be careful what you ask for or you may get it. Let's say that somebody like Senator Koretz got a hold of this thread and set out to ban wakesurfing (the idiot that confused teak surfing with wake surfing and almost banned both in California). Somewhere along the way he discovers that it requires a wake greater than one-foot high, so he writes a bill that bans boats designed to make a wake greater than one-foot high, thus making wakeboarding illegal too... Hightly unlikely but possible. Be careful with the net you weave or you may get tangled in it yourself.

I like to experience many different sports behind my boat; skiing, boarding, footing, surfing, foiling, and gasp - even tubing once every 100 years. It's a bummer that I cannot legally sit up on my V-drive's motor cover with my legs hanging inside the boat without fear of getting a ticket. It's a bummer that it's illegal to wind my rope up from the platform while idling. It's a bummer that I cannot go out skiing in California without an observer like I did when I lived in Florida. It's a bummer that they put warning decals all over my nice new boat.

Less rules, more fun. Rules cannot protect a fool from hurting himself.

[noahd]

i think my first post has been modified but i could be crazy or wrong, and the orignaly pissing match came from when i said it would not hurt my feelings if it was banned, and my post was made because the 210 is mainly known for wakeboarding wake.

less rules equals more fun --- there have been tragedies that were cause by having fun, think about it.....i dont believe in policing, but some times you do have to live with rules in order to protect yourself from other people.

if you dont like the rules then work the system to have them changed

if you dont like the post, then dont read it

[Mikeski]

Had I known the context of this thread I might have avoided it, but your topic heading caught my eye since my family, friends and I really enjoy wakesurfing. That is wakesurfing SAFELY without violating any laws regardless of my opinion of those laws. At my age my body can only take so much pounding from landing big jumps while wakeboarding, wakesurfing is a great low impact option that I would hate to lose.

My guess is that you are a relative newbie to these sports, your opinion appears to be reflective of your experience. My experience includes running a ski school, skiing professionally in a ski-show, slalom and long jump competition at national levels, and having 13 or so Nautiques since 1973. My opinion is that rules/regulations cannot make up for experience and education. Maybe it would have been better if you would have asked the more experienced members of this community how wakeboarding can be done safely?

If you don't want to see our views about your post then don't post. I believe that you will not find many to support your views about this topic on this board, or elsewhere... As a platinum member that supports this site I feel that I can read whatever I want and post my opinions.

[noahd]

Lets get one thing straight, I didn’t choose the heading of this topic, the site admin chose this topic thread heading, and in my opinion my original post has been modified. The reasoning the post was moved was because my statement “it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if surfing was banned” was felt to be off topic, but other off topic subjects in that thread were kept because my opinion on wakesurfing is the minority on this site and I admit it is the minority on other sites and among my friends. But just because the majority love the sport dosnt mean that I have to like it. Now, I have caught a lot of grief for the reasons that I really don’t think its safe, and that I really don’t care for how a lot of surfers conduct themselves or run their boats in my local environment.

Your resume sounds great, but I wonder what you consider a newbie. I have been involved in lake life since I was a child, but I would say that I wasn’t educated in boat etiquette until 2000. And that was from other boat owners that had a boating history such as yours. I admit for a long time I was a wally, but I had learned what you should or not do from people of your experience. So you could probably chalk up 15years of wally’ness and 6 years of knowing what to do. And I would probably say out of those 6 years I probably average 300 to 800 hrs of boating fun a year. And you are right, I have not tried every water sport that is out there, and I have only commented on the watersports I have been involved in.

If I was afraid of what people’s opinions were on this subject, then I wouldn’t have posted in the first place, and it is your right to read or post if you want too, but it seems people are getting more heated with me than I am you, so that is the reasoning for the comment “if you don’t like it, don’t read it”

[tdc_worm]

in noahd's defense, he did not start this thread (i.e. give it the title). noahd originially posted his thoughts in the thread titled:

New 210 for 2007 ??, page 11 (under general nautique discussion)

site admin moved the thread to off topic and gave it the topic that you see in the header (and it is noted midway down the thread that it was moved).

[ag4ever]

Yes, in NOAHD's defense, Jeff moved because me and a couple others were giving him a hard time.

NOAHD, since you are slamming people on experience, I have been boating since I was born. I learned to ski when I was 2 1/2. My dad has skied since he was a little boy. When I was a child my grandparents had a house on a private lake in east Texas, up until the mid 90's when a storm washed the dam away. I have been driving a boat by myself with no adults in it since I was 8. The first thing I was taught before I was allow to even drive with supervision is boating etiquette, and the rules of right-of-way.

I still don't know what that picture was supposed to point out, other than you are on a river, the other boat is slowly pulling a tube while a person is surfing.

[surroundsound64]

I have issues with this thread because it puts ideas in people's heads that it is OK to ban something just because you don't like it. I could create a list of things that I think they should ban on the basis of safety just because I don't like them. You need to be careful what you ask for or you may get it. Let's say that somebody like Senator Koretz got a hold of this thread and set out to ban wakesurfing (the idiot that confused teak surfing with wake surfing and almost banned both in California). Somewhere along the way he discovers that it requires a wake greater than one-foot high, so he writes a bill that bans boats designed to make a wake greater than one-foot high, thus making wakeboarding illegal too... Highly unlikely but possible. Be careful with the net you weave or you may get tangled in it yourself.

Less rules, more fun. Rules cannot protect a fool from hurting himself.

Exactly. Throwing laws at the situation hasn't, and won't fix these kinds of problems. People need to be educated.

Example: I think if someone wants to drive their car w/o a seat belt on, that's their (stupid) choice (as long as they have health insurance so I don't have to pay for them). I don't think it's our government's business if I choose to not wear my seat belt, ride a kite tube, wakesurf, or ride on the back of my boat under power.

Unfortunately we Americans have let our liberties and out intelligence fall by the way side.

[Ryan_E]

age4ever - why you always practicing buttholism???

By the way I skied better than you at 2 1/2.

[noahd]

Can you not follow along AG4EVER? Mikeskie assumed that I must be new to water sports and that may be the reason for my opinion. So I laid out my water history and it was not slamming him for his water background. Besides ag4ever it dosnt mater how long you been driving a boat, it still dosnt protect you from being a wally, do your really think the rules of the right-of-way is all you have to know in order not to be a wally?

[noahd]

I have issues with this thread because it puts ideas in people's heads that it is OK to ban something just because you don't like it. I could create a list of things that I think they should ban on the basis of safety just because I don't like them. You need to be careful what you ask for or you may get it. Let's say that somebody like Senator Koretz got a hold of this thread and set out to ban wakesurfing (the idiot that confused teak surfing with wake surfing and almost banned both in California). Somewhere along the way he discovers that it requires a wake greater than one-foot high, so he writes a bill that bans boats designed to make a wake greater than one-foot high, thus making wakeboarding illegal too... Highly unlikely but possible. Be careful with the net you weave or you may get tangled in it yourself.

Less rules, more fun. Rules cannot protect a fool from hurting himself.

Exactly. Throwing laws at the situation hasn't, and won't fix these kinds of problems. People need to be educated.

Example: I think if someone wants to drive their car w/o a seat belt on, that's their (stupid) choice (as long as they have health insurance so I don't have to pay for them). I don't think it's our government's business if I choose to not wear my seat belt, ride a kite tube, wakesurf, or ride on the back of my boat under power.

Unfortunately we Americans have let our liberties and out intelligence fall by the way side.

How do you expect these people to be educated? I agree partially with you statement

[ag4ever]

age4ever - why you always practicing buttholism???

By the way I skied better than you at 2 1/2.

If you look at my post history, you will see that 90% are helpfull and not "buttholeish", but when I get worked up about a stupid issue, I am very vocal. I have my opinion, you have yours. You express yours, I will express mine.

I still don't know what those pictures were supposed to prove.

I guess I am stupid, can you please spell it out for me.

BTW, I bet you did ski better than me at 2 1/2, when I would ski all the neighbors thought it was an adult skiing on their knees.

[surroundsound64]

I have issues with this thread because it puts ideas in people's heads that it is OK to ban something just because you don't like it. I could create a list of things that I think they should ban on the basis of safety just because I don't like them. You need to be careful what you ask for or you may get it. Let's say that somebody like Senator Koretz got a hold of this thread and set out to ban wakesurfing (the idiot that confused teak surfing with wake surfing and almost banned both in California). Somewhere along the way he discovers that it requires a wake greater than one-foot high, so he writes a bill that bans boats designed to make a wake greater than one-foot high, thus making wakeboarding illegal too... Highly unlikely but possible. Be careful with the net you weave or you may get tangled in it yourself.

Less rules, more fun. Rules cannot protect a fool from hurting himself.

Exactly. Throwing laws at the situation hasn't, and won't fix these kinds of problems. People need to be educated.

Example: I think if someone wants to drive their car w/o a seat belt on, that's their (stupid) choice (as long as they have health insurance so I don't have to pay for them). I don't think it's our government's business if I choose to not wear my seat belt, ride a kite tube, wakesurf, or ride on the back of my boat under power.

Unfortunately we Americans have let our liberties and out intelligence fall by the way side.

How do you expect these people to be educated? I agree partially with you statement

Experience, suggestions from others, common sense... ect. For those who can't learn from experience, won't listen to others who are trying to help them, and don't have any common sense, they might learn to not do stupid stuff the hard way. It's sad that some may learn the hard way... but it's even sadder when the rest of the population, the intelligent part of the population, give up our liberties for a dumb minority.