Bass Rehabilitation Needed - 2008 210

[gride300]

i agree with squirt. if you want that much output and quality wetsounds xxx. made for ur boat and smaller. still requires a big ported box. just put it under the passenger hinge seat and vent that puppy

[skiking]

The 12W7 has a 9.5 inch mounting depth (plus add some space behind for air movement). By my measurements I have about 15 inches of depth for the box.

I have been told by JL Audio that the 500/1 was basically designed to drive the 12W7. It can obviously handle more, but I didn't want the amp draw of the 1000/1. JL slash amps are usually very underrated and due to the R.I.P.S. technology are pretty adept at handling subs.

Here is a quote from a JL Tech, "I’m a huge fan of the 12W7, I run one in my car off of a 500/1. The 12W7, is a great combination off of that amp!".

[AuMDLST]

A sub in a car will perform far better than one in the boat - give the JL the 1000 watts or you will be asking for more input on this forum because you will not be happy with it. Ask the JL guy for a quote to post on how the 12W7 will perform with the 500/1 in the boat. Cars are, for the most part,a confined space. The boat is wide open free air.

[gride300]

save your self the time and trouble and either get a 10w7, 1000/1 for a 12w7, or so nothing will deteriorate, WET SOUNDS. if you go to jl's page it specifically says the 12w7 rms power is 750watt.

[skiking]

Thanks for all the advice. I had similar concerns. I have done many installs in cars and was worried about the 500/1 with a 12w7 in an open air environment. Since I already have the amp I will look into some other sub options that will give me the best output with the 500/1.
Getting excited about my upgrades for next season.

[gride300]

i know im a wet sounds pusher, and i have an xs12 in my 210 in a ported box with a jl 500/1marine. it sounds good. i want more though. i have a jl 10w7 in my truck with a 500/1 and it absolutely kills. in a boat i would say a 12 is the way to go. jl or ws will be great. since you have the amp i think i'd choose either an xs12 or possibly a 12w6

[TravisFling]

Why don't you go with a less power hungry sub with that amp... Like a Boston 555, or such? I love the JL's, but they are so power hungry it's hard for me to put one in my boat. I have an Infinity and it sounds terrific, believe it or not. I was always thinking I was just putting it in there temporarily, but it sounds and performs so well I've just left it alone.

[gride300]

i cant belive you guys put non marine stuff in your boat this day and age. even being around only freshwater ruins the stuff after about two years. non there are are viable option setups-wetsounds, jl marine, kicker marine, your options for watts and size of amp are numerous. i understand already having the amp and choosing your sub based on that, but from this day on we should all go all marine. i did and am very happy and have peace of mind for my amps.

[Grant_West]

You can fit 2 12's at the driver's feet. And 2 12's in the passengers compartment.
Both the drivers feet and passenger compartment require Heavy cutting and moving.
It all depends on how far your willing 2 go.

I had to cut and move and legth'n about 50 wires. Move the stearing cable, Cut the bottom of the glove box . Cut out the Vent for the motor box. Relocate PP and the heater and a bunch of other stuff but if your willing to do the work YES it can be done.

Imm in the process of making a Bass Vent as we speak. I saw this thread and thought Damm I need to do that. I have been putting it off for 2 years now. Here is what It looks like

[bobchris]

i cant belive you guys put non marine stuff in your boat this day and age. even being around only freshwater ruins the stuff after about two years. non there are are viable option setups-wetsounds, jl marine, kicker marine, your options for watts and size of amp are numerous. i understand already having the amp and choosing your sub based on that, but from this day on we should all go all marine. i did and am very happy and have peace of mind for my amps.

I guess if your going to have tools aka idiots in your boat that pour water and everything else on your speakers and amps or you mount them in some bone head spot where they are exposed all of the time then you might as well use marine grade but for the cost increase and how easy it is to martinize any amp it's not worth the extra cost and low quality sound options. Do yoe really think that the marine stuff is that much different than the automotive stuff, do you really think that auto stuff never sees any moisture during the winter? marketing all marketing

the only advantage to marine head units are the wired remotes and some automotive units are compatiable as well but then clarion and sony were never high on my list of quaility equipement either.

[gride300]

well the motherboards are marine coated, and if they wrent in the trash i'd show you a few pheonix gold amps that rusted out, eaten up jl audio speakers, etc. i have a wonderful stereo in my boat that i would put up against just about any one you can show me for sound quality, install function and neatness. and have you ever heard of rain, accidents, etc? its kind of the same reason you dont put marine stuff in your truck, you arent usually wet, its enclosed, and other reasons. also, that last post with the jl stuff is SICK. one of my favorite sub set ups and eq so far

[TravisFling]

Hey all,
I agree that with amps sitting in trunks of cars, it's not much different being on my boat. I've had a few idiots on board, but it's all relative. I have Kicker stuff in my boat, and I think as long as the boxes are done right it's not that big a deal. I'm sure it's more moist than my car, but I haven't had any problems. I guess time will tell. Anyways - I'm not scared to put regular car audio stuff in my boat, and I've done it for years without any hiccups.

[gride300]

marine or not, i'd fill my car with wetsounds amp anyday. i think as far as us made amps they are very top notch. i'd have to say hertz/audison might be the best car audio stuff though

[Grant_West]

I guess its all about how you use your boat. My boat is used more like a car, in that it never sits outside in the rain. It's in the garage almost every night after a day on the lake.
The sun beats the **** out of almost everything So if your boats not coverd from the sun and the morning dew yea I can see some problems starting to pop up after only a few year's. So if you dont wanna take the extra steps of covering your boat and keeping it nice then Marine is the way to go for you. We went out in the Bay over fleet week in Sf. I got to see how people wash their Salt water fishing boats after a day in the ocean. Yea for them You need marine grade for sure. These guys were washing down the inside of their boats with a garden hose of full blast everything gets washed down Speakers amps headunit. I could see a Non Marine amp lasting a few trips out if used like that.

I have had a few close calls and come to think about it my EQ started messing up after my friends 9 year old daughter thought it would be funny to spray down the inside of the boat with a super soaker. She had no Idea that doing that in my boat was a No No. But becides that never had a problem. IMO most of the marine stuff dosent have the quality or HP that the full strenght car audio stuff has.

[gride300]

actually if your boat lives outside, like mine, you cant just leave the cover on. the sun will bake the moisture that gets in there rain or not and mildew and ruin stuff. i agree that most marine amps dont have enough power, but they are finally here wetsounds. i use my boat in brackish water 99% of the time. when i go to the beach occasionally i wash down the hull, top deck, seats, trailer, etc. however, the issues with a handful of speakers and amps occured only around fresh water. im stressing these amps so much because i have alot of experience with audio products marine and not and they are by far some of the best for whatever you need to power. personally, i pride my systems on loud, crystal clear sound, not just output and want those with the $$ to make wise purchases on items such as this. definitely call a dealer its cheaper than online shops by a few hundy. for example. syn 6 on most websites is $999.99 but i got it from the closest dealer for 799.00 including overnight shipping, and some y cables.