The perfect Wetsounds setup + battery question

[ViSoR]

Hi guys,

just wanting to confirm what I read on another forum, I'm looking into assembling this whole setup:

''The optimal setup would be a simple clarion marine cd player that is made to perform under abusive marine conditions - get a syn4 and run 2 485s on the tower then get 6 wetsounds xs650s and run them off of channels 1,2, and 3 - then either buy a syn1 and a xxx sub or use a stock amp you have laying around on a wetsounds xs12 sub - tie it all together with a ws420.''

This is to be installed in my 2005 SANTE 210. The only differences are that I might only do 4 xs650's because I only have 4 in-boat speakers and hesitant to add 2 in the bow. I will most probably be getting an Alpine head unit like a CDA-9886M with a MC20 remote on my dash. The amp for the WS12 sub will be an Alpine 600.1.

1) Does that sound like a good setup?

2) I wanted to confirm the SYN4 could handle all those speakers? Pro 485's + 6 xs650's?

3) My boat only has one battery. Can I hook up another battery just for the sound system? Will I need 2 extra batteries? Will it be hooked up with my current battery? what is the best way to have it setup? what kind of battery should I get if I want to listen to music (with engine off) for max max 2hrs at a time?

I chose that setup because I believe it will be amazing and rather economical by buying more than half the stuff on the used market. I would love 4 Rev10's or any other all out combination but it will be too much and too expensive for my first system on my first boat! lol

*** I will buy the head-unit and xs650's locally but I will now be looking for a SYN4 amp and a ws420 if anybody has that for sale! ***
(485's, ws12, alpine amp are being purchased from another member)

[gride]

I'd run the pair of 485's off of the syn 4. I'm guessing you have a clarion 4 channel amp that came with the boat? If so, use that to run two pair of 650's on 1&2 and your sub on 3&4. That would be economical. A syn 6 could power your in boats and sub and a syn 4 for the towers. As for batteries, I'll let someone else chime in. Wetsounds.com has a great configuration description for each amp+speakers.

[ViSoR]

I can run 4 xs650's and a ws12 sub on a 4 channel amp??
Let's say this one? http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/view/pdx-4100m

[gride]

Yes. Do you have that amp? The amp has to be able to handle the ohm load though. Actually, nautique wired 4 Polk in boat speakers and the Polk 10" sub to the clarion apx480m they used in 2005.

http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/produ...iguration.html
http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/produ...guration.html#

[gride]

Just re read your post. Forget the syn 6. I would go syn4 on the 485's, alpine 600.1 for the xs12, and the syn micro fornyour 4 in boat speakers. If you will add bow speakers you'll need a something besides the micro. Get 65's not 650's. It'll save you $

[ViSoR]

Just re read your post. Forget the syn 6. I would go syn4 on the 485's, alpine 600.1 for the xs12, and the syn micro fornyour 4 in boat speakers. If you will add bow speakers you'll need a something besides the micro. Get 65's not 650's. It'll save you $

SYN4 for the pair of 485's is what I planned on doing.
You don't think an Alpine 400.1 would power the 4 xs650's and the xs12 sub? Maybe I should just get a second SYN 4? The configurator states you can run exactly that on a SYN4.
I want to keep this setup as simple as possible with maximum 2 amps.

I hate being a rookie at something, I'm really not great with sound systems! lol

[EarmarkMarine]

Two Syn4s is precisely what you need. One Syn4 bridged into two channels to drive the Pro485s. Another SYN4 to drive the four coaxials and a 4-ohm (not 2-ohm) XS-12 sub. Run the XS-12 in a bass-reflex enclosure and you will feel like you have SYN6 type of power on a sealed sub.

David
Earmark Marine

[wake4life6]

^^^^^ listen to David he is god when it comes to this stuff

[ViSoR]

Two Syn4s is precisely what you need. One Syn4 bridged into two channels to drive the Pro485s. Another SYN4 to drive the four coaxials and a 4-ohm (not 2-ohm) XS-12 sub. Run the XS-12 in a bass-reflex enclosure and you will feel like you have SYN6 type of power on a sealed sub.

David
Earmark Marine

Thanks David! Can I build my own enclosure and if so do you have a good link for instructions?
or a good website to buy one? Do you sell any?

How about my battery setup? can you shed some light into that situation?

^^^^^ listen to David he is god when it comes to this stuff

I was hoping he would reply in my thread!

[gride]

yes david is the man. from experience with boxes getting water damage(mdf with resin) i would order one from earmark with the hdpe elevators. do it by phone and i believe you get a pn discount.

[ViSoR]

My question is, do they ship to Canada?

Oh and how many hours can it take a shop to install all this including adding another battery? 4-6-8-10hrs??

[EarmarkMarine]

You can contact Odin at odin@earmarkcaraudio.com and he can give you the specific pricing and such...polyurethane coated (Rhino bed liner) enclosure, 5-way binding post terminal cup, male banana jack, HDPE mounting/elevation pads, etc.
Typically most will run a bass-reflex 10-inch in the port locker behind the observer seat with a vent in the pass-through surface of that console. But if you have the tolerance to give up the extra storage than I am all in favor of running a larger 12 woofer/enclosure. Odin can give you the dimensions of both options so you can make that decision. And, don't forget to consider the opening access to insert the woofer enclosure because the opening is far more of a limiting factor than the locker interior space.
Btw, with the direction that you are heading a second battery, dual battery switch and 20 amp dual bank multi-stage AC shore charger are going to be very important additions.

David
Earmark Marine

[AllianceBJJ]

Btw, with the direction that you are heading a second battery, dual battery switch and 20 amp dual bank multi-stage AC shore charger are going to be very important additions.

David
Earmark Marine

For those of us without the option for shore charging what is recommended? I have 6 inboats, 10 in sub, 2 pairs of Rev10s Syn6 and Arc Audi0 4 channel. already have the dual battery switch with 2 dual purpose interstate batteries....Have already drained one battery to low to fire up the boat once...Not sure if different batteries would even help at this point.

[gride]

Be sure to show the installer the thicker fiberglass on the port side under the flip up seat. If you don't, you might end up with a few holes in the side of the boat.

[EarmarkMarine]

Alliance BJJ,
Here is your challenge.
Lets say you run down your batteries at rest. A single fully depleted (10.5 volts) group 24 can intially pull as much as 20 to 25 amps (wet vs AGM and capacity). A 27, 29 or 31 can pull more. The boat operations, ignition etc, can pull close to another 20 amps without any DC lighting and your stereo at full volume can pull close to 100 amps of current. Thats close to 150 amps on a 100 amp alternator that is rated at intermittent use at a high RPM. If you are not burning a full tank of gas without the stereo playing on the way back to the trailer and the trip passes through a no wake zone and you are idling for some time while a guy and his girlfriend are arguing at the boatramp then you have put your boat into storage with a discharged stereo battery that has also pulled down the starting battery as the voltage attempted to level. The battery(s) will rapidly degradate in a discharged state not to mention an aggressive self-discharge of 3 to 4 percent a month for a wet battery. They will die an early death due to sulfation not to mention you will see a rapid decline in the amp/hour capacity as the weekends pass and a decline in the stereo performance as the voltage drops. You simply have no choice but to figure out a way to get an AC charge. You are now operating like a fisherman who does not have a shore charger to restore his trolling motor bank.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by a dual purpose battery. I don't think the cranking amps are as important with a small block in moderate weather. A true deep cycle will tolerate a 50 percent discharge (from 12.7 volts to 12.0 volts) without damage where a starting battery is built to withstand no more than a 5 percent discharge. A dual purpose falls in between. A deep cycle battery has thicker plates while a dual purpose can have thinner more porous plates. You should use nothing but deep cycle on the stereo bank and usually a deep cycle is permissable as the starting battery too...if not go with a DP only on the cranking bank.
As you add more battery amp/hour capacity to offset the larger stereo and longer play time you are adding more strain to your charging system. A ton of fully charged batteries will not offer a challenge to your charging system, however, the extra capacity when discharged represents a major liability to your charging system. So you can't add more battery capacity without a specific plan for full restoration and maintenance. The winter isn't a problem when the boat is not used because you can bring the batteries home to the garage for maintenance. But the week to week during the season is a definite problem. The idea is that you want immediate and full restoration after use rather than charging just before an outing.
Those are the basics.

David
Earmark Marine