Audio overhaul - need input

[saceone]

Hey guys, I had tower speakers installed at my dealer 3 years ago and I've had just about enough of the crappyness.

I would like to change my tower speakers and in-boat speakers (x6). I do not like hard bass, the stock sub that came with the boat is good enough for me. We do not wakeboard. We surf and hang out at the local beach. I am looking for sound quality and of course, loudness. I am not familiar with audio specs and how it works, so feel free to educate me!!
A friend of mine (visor) on the board had a Wetsounds system installed and he is very pleased with it so I would like to go the same route.

the WS420 eq is a must!

The boat:

02 SANTE, stock alternator, 2 batteries , perko switch.

stock inboat speakers (x6)

2 Kicker amps ( zx250.2 and zx200.4)

Roswell Vamp spin pro tower speakers

Clarion head unit




any advice is welcome! I don't know if I could keep the tower speakers and add some wetsounds or would it look bad...

thanks!

[gride]

I'd suggest wet sounds icon 8's for your tower, and probably wet sounds xs/sw 65's for te interior. With an ht-2 amp& ht-4 for the in boats. If you want it LOUD go for the xs/sw-650 interior speakers with an ht-6 amp. I also, make sure you have 2 good deep cycle batteries on the stereo bank. I'll look into details later, but you should be able to get away with just two amps if you choose properly. If you don't have a ws's dealer call earmark and tell them what kind of system your looking for. And mention PN for the discount. I'd also consider the ht-10 sub from wet sounds.

[saceone]

thanks for the quick reply.

Do you think I could salvage one of the amps or is it too weak to power the tower speakers? I have read good things about the icon8's tower speakers!

[gride]

You could use the 200.4 to power in the in boat coaxials. The port pair in parallel on ch 1, starboard the same on ch 2, then the port bow speaker on ch 3 ad starboard bow speaker on ch. 4. The other amp says its 250w @ 4ohm mono so unless I don't understand the zx amp you can run the icons off the 250.2. I know I'm right about the in boats, but double check on the towers. At this point you will have no power to your sub. IMO, removing it and adding the ht-10 Would be perfect for your wants. And if u don't have to purchase new amps it's almost like fun money.

[saceone]

gotcha.

so I'm gonna need a new amp for sure.

would the 10 be powerful enough to power the tower+sub?

edit: I can not find the ht10 on wetsounds website? what about the syn6 amp? I could buy it off a friend localy.

[gride]

The ht-10 has a built in amp. It is under electronics I think on their site. IMO, you don't need new amps of you choose the 65's for in boat speakers. And like i said, im 80% sure you can give plenty of non clipped power to the towers with the 250.2(double check with wet sounds)If you choose 650's you need minimum 100w rms per speaker. I have a Syn 6 for my in boats(50w rms speakers) and on my xs12 love it. However, they are huge amps. With the way the wet sounds amps are there are a lot of different configurations to choose between. I think your best bet is to determine a budget(including install & batteries) and call John guyver @ wet sounds. He will set you up proper. So you only have to do it once.

[saceone]

So a friend had a syn6 laying around.. It's mine now.

Now I need the inboats speakers!

I might just keep the old tower speakers for now and see how it sounds..

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[kmgs]

So a friend had a syn6 laying around.. It's mine now.

Now I need the inboats speakers!

I might just keep the old tower speakers for now and see how it sounds..

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What is your budget? Might be easier to work backwards from there with a few options.

[saceone]

For the in boats and I'd like to redo the wiring(bigger gauge from the battery?) I'd say 1200$ shipped to Canada is my budget as of today.

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[kmgs]

For the in boats and I'd like to redo the wiring(bigger gauge from the battery?) I'd say 1200$ shipped to Canada is my budget as of today.

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WIRING

Wiring - I would use a welding cable for battery to power/ground blocks...similar quality to the high end stereo cable and you should be able to find good deals if you search enough....with standard connectors

(http://www.ebay.ca/itm/WELDING-CABLE...item3cc903a2b9)

Fuse - ANL fuses are meant for higher powered stereo setups or so I have read, something like a Rockford Fosgate block is nice.

(http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rockford-Fosg...#ht_619wt_1037)

Power Blocks for both ground and positive wire - RFD4 but shipping looked expensive from US...you'll need 2 of whatever you buy, stinger makes some cheap blocks... (p.s. don't underestimate the need for a good size ground)

(http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Rockford-...#ht_2698wt_982)

SPEAKERS

As for speakers, I'm sure that there are many opinions out there, but you can get some Polk MM651UM's for cheap and they are marine grade and when pushed with enough power sound great.

AMPS

This is where it gets a little tricky, the Wet Sounds are class H amps. They don't overheat as quickly as other class D amps, but given that you are in Canada, I can't imagine that is a problem. The stock Nautiques are outfitted with Polk PA500.4 which will send 90watts at 4 ohms to the 4 speakers. If you double up with 8 speakers, you'll get roughly 125watts per speaker.

(http://www.ebay.com/itm/PA500-4-Car-...item35b2ed3ff5)

If you say that you have a SYN6, that is plenty for Polks and sub.

TOWER

If you buy speakers, I would ONLY buy REV8 or REV10 Wet Sounds.....you'll will not be happy without something else...I made that mistake the first time around. The REV10's are big and the REV410's are huge.

The Icon8's do not have a horn, so the volume will not be thrown near as far. For tower, you want to make sure you have a compression horn to get the distance for the rider...

[kmgs]

One more thing, I would get an AudioControl's line driver if I were you. The Clarion decks are horrible with RCA voltage out....it truly is the difference between driving a car with moon shine vs. jet fuel... (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/cat_m...e-drivers.html)

[slairson]

Love the rockford fosgate marine equipment

[saceone]

sthanks for the reply kmgs, very much appreciated.


so yesterday I started ripping out my interior, I guess I don't have much of a choice to go big now! everything is so accessible!!! I will keep you guys posted! thanks again

[MLA]

The power cabling for an amp, the B+ and GND, should all be the same size. The gauge will be determined by the total length of the B+ and GND and the potential load in amperage. The GND should never be smaller then B+.

On the Polk PA500.4, it delivers 125W x 4 @ 2 ohm. With a pair of 4 ohm speakers per chnl wired in parallel, the chnls output will 125W rms, so each speaker nets 62.5W. With a single speaker p/chnl, the watts rms output will be 90W.

Wet Sounds released 2 new lines of Class-D amps last year. The HT and SD series are worth looking into along with the Syn series. The Class-D amps are actually more efficient then Class-G/H, so more battery Ah converted to wattage and less heat as a by-product. The amps have less heat-sink mass and are smaller, so they still get warm.

[ViSoR]

Update?

Go full wetsounds or go home! lol