Any concerns buying NVS

[shawndoggy]

Ok, 3 recs, all class D to reduce heat and be a little more efficient, you'll need that this is a lot of power being pulled:

Upper middle rec: Use two Arc Audio 300.2s. $350 ea. 700w x1 at 4ohms. $700

High end rec: Use two Syn2s, same specs^^^, folks say identical amps, but Syns are "marinized". $550 each, $1100.

Budget rec: Precision Power PPI 600.2 does 600w x 1 at 4ohms. Most likely it's 500-550w. Lots of haters, dealers hate them, lots of minutia as to why they suck, but ask folks who have actually used them and most would say they are "B" level amps or better. $137ea at sonic electronix. Definitely gets you in the ballpark for $260.

Flame on.

arc and wetsounds are class g/h not class d.

[nyryan2001]

Gotcha.... should have said:

"Ok, 3 recs, not AB"

[MLA]

Instead of 2 Syn-2 amps, I would suggest a single SD-4. 685 2 @ 4 ohm, single amp, Class-D, less expensive.

And just to be accurate, the KS300.2 retails for $450, not $350. Since factory supported Arc can only be purchased through their website or at your local Arc dealer, i thinks it better to factor your purchase based on retail, rather then some unauthorized internet price that you may end up not finding once you are ready to buy.

A pair of Kicker IX500.2 class-D amps would deliver 500W x 2 and retail for $400

Those budget amps seem to lack some sound quality depth and fullness, especially in bridge mode. But they're cheap and make some decent power.

[nyryan2001]

Not splitting hairs MLA, but that's several times now you've muddied the conversation, claiming less than MSRP prices on Arc are "gray" market unsupported gear. That's thru a dealer with full support and warranty. It's important to highlight WS sells for very close to MRSP, while others are routinely 20-30% less. Thanks.

[shawndoggy]

Yeah I think (know) arc stuff can be had at the prices Ryan suggests. At least that's what I've paid from authorized brick and mortar dealers.

[MLA]

Ryan,

I have not claimed that a price below Arc MSRP is gray market, but the rather the source. So before you launch another public campaign to call me out on everything Arc price, go to Arc's website and read their sales policy.

-Please note that www.arcaudio.com is the only place online to purchase authentic arc audio products in the USA and Canada. If at any time you find ANY website offering arc audio products and claiming to be authorized please note our companies internet sales and warranty policies and purchase at your own risk as ARC Audio does not authorize ANY form of online sales.Please note that woofersetc.com IS NOT an authorized dealer of any kind with ARC Audio. Any purchase made from them will be at your own risk. If you are an international customer please contact an authorized international dealer in your country.--

So, unless all the potential customers are local to your bro'ham-hookup, then your prices are misleading. Even further, if I was your dealer buddy, I would not appreciate someone quoting prices on the internet in my name. Almost sounds like you are getting a sales commission for steering customers toward your buddy?

But thats completely besides the point. With forum members scattered all around the world, its of my opinion, that if pricing is part of the discussion, it should be at the MSRP and not some wild-arse discount that they may never see. Im sure if the OP walked into his local marine audio dealer, they would be able to work out a price for him. this would be for brand new, factory direct gear with not only full factory warranty and support, but also the support of the LOCAL selling dealer. This has its advantages when it comes time to install and tune the audio gear.

[nyryan2001]

Great, thanks for that wonderful input. No, never rec'd anything from anyone. I now have Polk, Fi, Exile, Treo, Arc, Wetsounds and Fosgate in my boat. Seriously, all from different vendors!
If I have a requirement... I hunt down the best value to fill the need. Does that suggest brand loyalty? No, I don't fall for brand bashing or brand pushing which is obviously what you make your living at.

I think you would do a lot better if you were just up front and said: I make 100-175$ an hr for the quality work I do. That's where I make my money.... If you want and have the money to do a $5k JL install great. If you are tight on money I won't brand bash and brand push to skew your decision. I will inform you of pros/cons of your decision, but with the quality of work I do and my reputation, I don't need to price gouge on gear to make a living, whether you get the gear from me or elsewhere. My work speaks for itself. Every system doesn't have to be JL/WS to sound good.

back to the recs: So Arc 300.2s can be had for around 350$ ea with full dealer warranty.

WS gear is the same quality with great support ^^^ obviously... But sticks close to MRSP.

[shawndoggy]

As an FYI, when NVS was still in business, the Arc KS300.2 was one of the amps they'd sell you as a package. I think that says a lot about it being a good match.

[rameter]

Thanks again guys and for further background (because we're all different in our budget, needs, time, experience, expectation and risk tolerance) I'm just trying to get a "notch" up on my boat system. I did visit a local installer and WS dealer and they were very helpful. The resulting estimate was close to $7k. Sorry but I'm not looking to dump that kind of money into my boat right now especially when I think I'm selling it next fall. So as far as products go, I'm all for finding an inexpensive set of components cuz at this point most of it will be throw away. That means, do I care about a warranty? Nope. If it blow over the next year, at least I'm only out a few hundred buck. I'm trying to cobble together a system that sounds good (not blow your eardrums out loud) but that doesn't cost of fortune. So, with that said, the above recs are extremely helpful. Thanks guys. And FWIW I buy almost EVERYTHING off the internet...even cars.

[MLA]

back to the recs: So Arc 300.2s can be had for around 350$ ea with full dealer warranty.

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Ok, so the first part of your reply made absolutely no sense what so ever. As stated before, if you have personal comments towards me, please send those via PM as these threads are not the place. I will gladly respond. So moving back to the topic of internet pricing.

I have never stated a local Arc dealer would not sell at that discount and have never disputed your claims to have purchased at such discounts. I will state again, Acr does not have authorized internet dealers, so the prices you are quoting to people on public internet forums is a bit misleading and may turn out to be unrealistic at the time of THEIR purchase.

[nyryan2001]

^^^ dealer strategies:

1. Try make everything so complicated that no mere mortal can understand the complexity and the depth of understanding you Yoda have. Confuse, scare and intimidate customers into deferring all decisions to you. The purpose of this phase isn't to learn what the customers want, his budget or how we could possibly make those 2 meet.. It's solely to make him aware of how much he doesn't know to gain the upper hand on him.

2. Push all the highest brands with the highest profit margins. Because if they don't buy that, nothing else available will be supported or have warranty like your pricey gear has. Cast doubts on everything else, make it scary while you are at it. And when you are trying the guise as being impartial.... Only pipe in on the negative aspects to other gear, nothing positive. Discount and bash all others to confuse the situation. Show absolutely No ability to have an honest discussion on pros/cons of different approaches, even if away from the vendor's preferred gear. When you any win in an apples to apples discussion, ask the other side to leave out pertinent facts. Other gear is shady, doesn't meet specs, ****, it can even blow your boat up!

3. Obtain now scared customers' credit card and take him to town!!!

4. Repeat.

[nyryan2001]

Rameter-

All of the recs have been solid gear.... Perhaps aside from the PPI, understand they are cheapies. The Kickers MLA offered are great choices too. All of the others are solid choices you would never be embarrassed of.

with all that being said, the PPIs do run hot. Comparatively to other Class D's, so hot you can barely keep your hand on them after running them hard, they'll need good ventilation. But that's normal for them. And I believe they run very close to spec'd watts, sound quality does suffer some by most reports compared to the highest end gear.

if you were to buy them online, I'd recommend you buy the 2yr or whatever replacement insurance plan.... Their QAQC isn't anywhere near what these other recs have, just read the reviews. It'd be bad to get a new amp in the box with a defect. But overall folks love the amps for the price.

I've owned and used both the PPI and the NVX, so I have experience with both, and was satisfied with both performance with how cheap they were. With that being said, Arc, WS, Kicker equivalents do clearly outperform the cheapies. I would not use the cheapies for a long term install... Perhaps as a temp bridge as you suggested.

not trying to persuade you either way, just sharing my experience.

[rameter]

Thanks Nyryan. So...not to capitalize the forum but back to my original question...what's the best deal of those three speakers? two pairs of NVS Deviant for $450, two pairs of NVS prodigy for $1000, or one WS pro485 for $600? I could wrap these and stick under the tree for xmas!

[nyryan2001]

If you are asking me directly... My opinion, none of the above.

Get a set of Rev10s and put 400w on each and be done. That combo would absolutely transfer to the next boat, or you could sell outright at around 80% what you paid for them. This is what's in high demand right now and they sound great. They easily hit 80ft at 23mph well.

i know NVS sounds great but so do Revs, and require less power. Require less room on the tower. Brand new with warranty.

good luck with the project

[MLA]

Thanks Nyryan. So...not to capitalize the forum but back to my original question...what's the best deal of those three speakers? two pairs of NVS Deviant for $450, two pairs of NVS prodigy for $1000, or one WS pro485 for $600? I could wrap these and stick under the tree for xmas!

A single Pro-485, is not a bad setup, but really does best when its a pair of 485's or its flanked by a single pair of Pro-80s or even Rev-10's. Since the 485 is discontinued, and I assume the one you are looking at is also used, I would expect the price to be far less then that.

2 pairs of Deviants would be 4 pods/8 HLCDs, do you mean a single pair? IIRC, this was a double pod with HLCDs. This setup would offer more projection at wake-board range. $450 for a pair that functions and look sto be in decent shape doesnt sound bad.

Same with the Prodigy, do you mean a single pair? Each pod has 2 mid-bass drivers flanking a horn. This setup would offer better SQ near-field. $1000 for a pair sounds like a good starting point

I would not hesitate to drive these with any of the amps mentioned here, although 700W rms to a single 485 is awfully strong.