new g25 stereo

[riverman]

After years of Malibus and a Mastercraft I'm about to pull the trigger on my first Nautique. I have added power and bolt in jls, in boat, to some of these boats but haven't really been blown away by what I ended up with. Have never tried new towers. So here is my request. I want clean, balanced, loud sound both in the boat and behind. Solid but not boomy bass. If you were doing this how would you design a system for say $5 grand and for $10 grand ? Thanks a lot, great forum and looking forward to becoming a Nautique owner.

[nyryan2001]

Tower:
1 Pair Rev10s - $1200
Arc600.2 or Polk 4000.4 - $500 with quality cableing

Line Driver zone Controler:
420 or the ZLD2 - $400 with quality cableing

Inboat speakers:
Leave them the same 6.5" OEM Polks... but x2 the lousy 25-30w each? that is on them. Better amp for the inboats to get them at 75w each. $300, direct quick swap.

Sub:
Huge variance based on preference here. I cut/fit a Fi Audio 15" infinite baffel sub on 600w in the factory OEM location. sounds great. So sub is $250 and a dedicated amp and quality cabeling $300 to go that route. Now, many G owners cut a vent into the walkway to allow the bass to radiate, makes a huge difference as compared to the closed compartment... you would likely need a professional guy to do that, expect $500 range to have that done and for it to look like it was done from the factory. <---bigger IB sub, more power on it, vent cut... would be x3 to x4 the weak OEM output I'd say, hard to quantify exactly, but quite a difference.


So this ^^^^ route would get you into what most would consider a very very respectable system commensurate with the boat. roughly $3500 in materials if you were to do it yourself with your labor. quality audio guys get $100-200 an hour for labor. Ths job ^^^ would be in the 8-12hr range for a pro I'd guess.


to bump it up from here to a boss dog level system:

2nd set of Rev10s- $1200, amp choice above to a single that puts 400w on all 4 Revs, +$300more.

all new JL or WS 6.5" inboats, $1000 range

a second dedicated ported and tuned 12-15" sub in custom enclosure, 1500-2000w range - $500sub, $500amp, $500box to get x10 OEM sub output.

More or better batteries, $500, onboard charger, $350.

This brings you to around $8-9k at this level not counting labor.

[riverman]

Thanks a lot, appreciate the help. Do you have a preference of the 2pair rev10 over their 3-some setup ? Is there a logical or easy place to position the 2nd sub ? I have used jl and like them, whats your preference vs the ws for the inboats ? The boat has the charging option, think 1 addition high quality battery is enough or is this rig going to be power hungry ? Thanks again this is really great as I can't even eyeball the boat it's 1200 miles away !

[nyryan2001]

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Yes I have a huge preference on the towers... for me, I absolutely refuse to bump my head, I am 6ft, so any setup that could bump my head is a 100% non starter. Also, I wanted to loose almost NO storage space, as my boat is used, and a family boat. I will tell you that 1 pair of Rev10s tuned right will satisfy 95% of folks, and tucked up into the corners of the tower you absolutely will not hit your head. But a 3some will exceed what 2 pair of Rev10s can do, think top1% AC/DC concert level sound, ridiculous, off the charts. Nauty220? on here has a system that is probrably top 10 in the country, its certifiably insane. You gotta decide which way you want to go with it.

I dont have a prefernce on the inboats. all are great. JL, WS or Exile are A+. But, I would tell you to consider x2 the power on the OEM Polks first, or do the inboats last in the project if money is tight... I just heard it on another G owner's boat last weekend.... REAAAAALY wakes the Polks up at 75w ea. If I were spending 1000+ on inboats, I would probrably go another direction with it, and look at high end components 150wRMS. Some folks hit baller status by doing special pods and fit 8" coax's in the OEM locations. Nice but Pricey.

There is a ton of room down in the observer's compartment to put a good 12" ported enclosure on the ledge where the trashcan goes... or you can create a false wall in the forward section... or a fitted box in the nook that fits in the rear of that compartment. Tons of options for that.

Additional Batteries. I replaced my OEMs and have 5 total SRM29s. dead batteries will not be a concern of mine. I would tell you that if you spend any reasonable time floating and playing your stereo... with whatever option you go, $3500 or the $9k ish^^^^. 2 OEM batteries will not be enough and the OEM charger will struggle when you go bigger or add more batteries. The charger needs to be rated for the amp/hours in batteries you have stacked in there.... or add a 2nd charger to keep to the costs down.

[swatguy]

I am far from the stereo building expert and knowledge as the pros who post here all the time. However I have done some substantial stereo upgrades over the years to my boats. So will give you the info I can from my experience as well as others

The Polk UM interior 6.5 speakers are right on par with the Wetsounds and JL . The are severely underpowered from the factory. I would wake them up with a higher rated amp. Of those 3 the Wetsounds def have the edge in pure volume and brightness. However the Polk JL and Polks are much more true and "warmer" sounding. It's really personal preference. If we were talking of upgrading to a 7.7 JL or the 8 Wetsounds ten I would be saying something different, but at the 6.5 range all of those are great when powered correctly.

As far as the threesome vs 4 Rev 10's. Before the Rev series I think you saw way more threesomes to balance out the brightness of the pro 80 horns and get you some midbass response on the tower. Now with the advancement of the Rev series i see way more (2) sets of 10's that (3)somes.

[SAN210 #976]

Think he's talking about a rev410 not threesome.I

[swatguy]

Thanks a lot, appreciate the help. Do you have a preference of the 2pair rev10 over their 3-some setup ? Is there a logical or easy place to position the 2nd sub ? I have used jl and like them, whats your preference vs the ws for the inboats ? The boat has the charging option, think 1 addition high quality battery is enough or is this rig going to be power hungry ? Thanks again this is really great as I can't even eyeball the boat it's 1200 miles away !

He mentioned the threesome here.

(2) Rev 10's and Single 410 vs (4) Rev 10's

I also think wiith all the newer style towers that have 4 factory speaker mounting points the (4) Rev 10's look more uniform. Just my opinion

[nauty220]

Here are a couple other threads that might be helpful with opinions and ideas


http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...peaker-upgrade

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...25-Stereo-Done

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...sounds-xs-650s

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...-Fi-IB3-review

Here is my boat
http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...oastal-Part-II

[JoeA]

NYRyan......would you hit your head if you had a pair of Rev 10s on both sides of the boat?

[nyryan2001]

90% chance no.

You can see where I have my first set, the. 2nd set wouldn't use clamps, it'd be in the stock locations using flush mounts tucked up tight in the corners in the stock locations just slightly inside and in front of my current set.. A few guys on here have two pair like that. My board racks are upside down in that pic, to allow that first set of Revs to get so low.

I've been toying with the idea of a 2nd set, but there might only be 3-4 times a year I want sound louder than what my current Revs on 400w each provide. And that comes with more on the tower, more amps, cableing etc etc. Not sure the juice is worth the squeeze for us.

Nauty had 3 pair on his last G.

[nauty220]

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Here are pics of my 2013 G23 with three pair. You can see how much room you would have minus the middle pair. The second is my current G showing plenty of room IMO with the 410's

[JoeA]

Nauty,

Would you mind measuring the distance from the bottom of your speakers to the floor?

If you had to do it again would you buy the 410s again?

[nauty220]

I would. The 410's IMO or more a much more balanced sound with more mid bass. Assuming all things equal in power and tuning you give up about 10-15% in volume but you gain more mid bass and in my opinion a higher quality sound.

Go listen to them at a local shop. Everyone seems to be moving away from the rev 410 because of size and cosmetics. With swivel clamps we were able to tuck mine to the sides and I like the look.

Bottom line they both are awesome. I push a lot of power and tune thru a digital processor which makes little differences more apparent.

[swatguy]

Those 410's look really sweet up there. They snug up to the corners perfectly.

[JoeA]

Nauty,

Are you able to swing your racks all the way in 180 degrees and not the speakers? I'm diggin' them.